Session Start: Sun Feb 28 00:10:54 1999 *** Now talking in #wrow *** Topic is 'The Dave Lucas Show: Midnight til 4; An evening of JonBenet Ramsey case Discussion with Dr.Cyril Wecht, Charles Bosworth and Dwight Wallington.' *** Set by matthews on Sat Feb 27 17:33:00 a master hi,auntie Hi Auntie Hi LIza Hi LB, Lisa, LB, Mati Hi Mati hi auntie Hi Ldbug OP u got milk.........I mean sound? Yep! I have new handle Cute! Hi Ourputer I like your website, auntie it's a very unique idea Schiller said no index because he wanted people to read it and not skip around I don't know how long I will stay. early up? I can only take Ramsey stuff for so long! ok *** MCA (tscholo1@XXXXX.nycap.rr.com) has joined #wrow # Appears as TIKI. *** MCA (tscholo1@XXXXX.nycap.rr.com) has left #wrow No, not too early...whenever the kids get up! hi Tiki oooooooh *** Disconnected Session Close: Sun Feb 28 00:13:35 1999 Session Start: Sun Feb 28 01:00:02 1999 *** Now talking in #wrow *** Topic is 'The Dave Lucas Show: Midnight til 4; An evening of JonBenet Ramsey case Discussion with Dr.Cyril Wecht, Charles Bosworth and Dwight Wallington.' *** Set by matthews on Sat Feb 27 17:33:00 sometimes when I have sound getting another beer (BURP) YOu boozing it up again MrsB? *** lake (java@XXXXX.ipt.aol.com) has joined #wrow hi lake Hi Lake yo FRA! are you awake??? always, auntie! Nice to see you hi lake! Hello Hello Lake Hi Lake LDBug.....You got more chocolates? YOu here to call in Lake? hi everyone will send lake, you have to call in, your buddy Wallington is coming up next no how much did you gain? you have an excellent voice, Lake You did great the last time Lake. too much.. lake are you the 'same ' Lake? a bedroom voice, LOL yes LDbug long time no see Hi Lake send Missy chocolateds Lake special request Kewl ! I would not call in a diagree with Wecht. He is too tough hey I need chocolates here too FTD send to Mati too oh heck just send to Missy she will pass them around Fat Wacker! That;s what I need! oops forget the choc bring on the fat whacker LOL mati you need Oreos Sure...I can share Mati Tomorrow is 3 weeks since Erica Baker has been missing here in Ohio. They are wanting to question that Partin guy from Columbus (who had the photo of JB in 97 in his posession). Lisa - That Whack is Lance's sound. :) lol hmmm, that's interesting Star It is. take a look at the Mikelle Biggs, mesa, AZ Oh - does he know where the handprint was supposed to be on the body? It said petechial hemorrahge, not contusion. That whack is very offensive to me, actually what's new with Mikelle? anything? *** genocydeX (genocyde@XXXXX.you.have.a.tcpip.stack.you.are.owned.org) has joined #wrow nada MsB but look at the photos connection to Hayward, CA possibly Lance....ask him if he knows anything about a hand print on the body... nice hat genocyde! thanks its a donna karan * genocydeX bows very swish! How about the partial finger print? mati will put a rose on it huh? So if there is evidence on the body that doesn't match the Ramseys, will he back away from his Ramsey did it theory? *** genocydeX (genocyde@XXXXX.you.have.a.tcpip.stack.you.are.owned.org) has left #wrow sound? I think Cyril has a very poor self image - and he barely conceals this with bravado No Jams. Cause there's more evidence that the Ramseys did do it, than not lisa, need more volume on Bosworth start looking then Grumpy stop the cherade k I don't see that evidence - motive, history, evidence at scene - i see nothing that screams PARENTS what about handwriting? not matched - inconclusive asmost of us would be some experts say...not so inconclusive, jams LOL put your glasses on Jams...HA! Jams, why would Burke say he pretended to be asleep? heeerrrressss DWIGHT! lake why would any kid? Buke did it or knows who did it. Because he is TRYING to be honest I found Shapiro's account of his encounter with Rev. Hoverstock(sp?) interesting *** snowwolf (java@XXXXX.tx.us.ibm.net) has joined #wrow Maybe he felt intimidated or something (Burke). Hi, Snow Hi snow hi snow Hi Snow Hi, everyone(: that's where I am in the book too, Lisa, very ODD Hi Snow hi Snow! hi snow if they haven't come to him for confession, why not just say so? *** EdM (user@XXXXX.ipt.aol.com) has joined #wrow I'm having computer problems so can't listen to the show): ask mati snow aw shucks snow wallington is on now snow, he pronounces autopsy as auTOPsy - ewwww you still here mati? yep :-) smoking and listening hi everyone, hi mrs brady, heard you on the erin hart show 2 weeks ago what time and day is it there Mati??? Hi ed! it just says I need to re-install the RA player, but that would take so long. ha ha Ms., Brady what is the telephone # to call in? thanks, MrsB(: are you in Australia, Mati? yes Lisa its tomorrow already Lake - maybe at some point he did wake up and decided to remain in his room for some reason. I mean if he heard his mother crying, maybe he would stay quiet and listen, I don't pretend to know... sunday afternoon 2.20 here 1-800-WROW-590, #590 from your cell phone, 476-5959 neat, I just love that (australia) :-) thanks ABJ auntie is so "with it" Mrs.B :-) Yeah. Patsy Blackmailed him...ha not! they met the Whites in 1992 he should have turned the light on he did NOT scream out before the light was on - give me a break well, Jameson, Fleet white was there and that's what he said I meant White !!! Cyril gets his material from the tabloids It could come down to White's word against Ramsey's. white didn't say that at first - said it later as a , um, maybe I don't know... I'm amazed at MEN who read the tabs, it cracks me up actually we don't even know that Hmmm....no, the quote I heard was clear...but I don't know about the chronology of his statements, jameson Then if John has committed perjury in other areas, his credibility is gone. did FW ever open door, turn light on and walk to the windowless room? have to see the documentation on that White says his story isn't out there right yet INTERNET PERSONALITY?????? ""internet personality""????? The cord had a 17 inch lenth between the noose and the stick. It was not a garrotte! cut me a break who?? LANCE! for want of a better term LOL, LIsa He is an internet personality - he is the madKow :) Jameson...I don't think White has been caught in a lie yet that I know of.. White has said very little that we can verify I'm not wanting for another term, lisa, I'm just too polite to provide it! just his letters - be candid, pip by all means Hard to verify when JR is the only one who can vouch for what happened, jameson! Missy. Not yet. That is why FW wanted to see his statements to the BPD before agreeing to go to the GJ. oooooooooh Oh, Lance, I'm ALWAYS candid Schillers' book has White teasing the cops that he knew the Ramsey's own Hi-Tec boots. agreeing lake? Ramsey didn't hurt anyone - and neither did Burke Right on Wallington your opinion, Jameson what did he say, lake? I don't think Burke did opinionon whatPip so we agree on one thing, Jams JR not involved in family life. that Ramsey didn't hurt anyone thanks, lake(: ""that it was he""" JR is strange. JR was very involved - called the kids every night when he wasn't home - and? he did a lot with the family -look at all the vacations - and the kids were always theree I know it's hard to be open to the possibility that a loving parent could hurt his child, Jams, but it happens jameson, do you know how often he was gone? I don't think parents would cover up for their son knowing there's a killer in the house and need help Some could interpret all those phone calls as that of a "controlling personality" though. If Burke were fooling with JBR , JR would have never known. JR only saw them on vacations. Oh sure - I can see a parent killing their kid in a rage - not making a garrote to kill a sleeping child probaly to the office and dinner parties snow documented - one of the reasons why the Rammers moved back to atlanta is so they can travel WITHOUT BURKE thanks, LB(: Patsy says herself that John was gone a lot..! How about a comatose child after a severe, albeit accidental, head injury, Jams> Mrs. B...I'm so happy they did move me too, their lives were in danger in BOulder pip that is not what the coronor said *** Destiny (java@XXXXX.san.rr.com) has joined #wrow The head injury came when the garrote was in place - otherwise the head injury would have been obvious when the body was found they were in danger before they moved But if Burke did it, he got the idea from somebody else, I think. hi, destiny(: There are many things that point to John's controlling aspects. I agree with that, lake. Why would John be making arrangements to fly to Atlanta so soon after he had "found" his daughter's body? to arrange the funeral - to be with family - couldn't stay in the house - the cops told them that that sounds like classic Jamesonian logic to me nopr jams, closed head injuries are not obvious, especially where hers was located knew that is where she would be buries buried Why did he let Patsy and Burke fly back to Atlanta and he stayed behind with Lucinda and the "older" kids when they were being questioned? That says alot about him.... Read the autopsy again LB Head injuries bleed a lot - she would have had a lot of bleeding if the blood flow was not cut off ok pip I did maybe she did bleed - couldve been cleaned up... Not closed head injuries, Jams, are we talking about the same case? Gee Claudis, my logic sounds like mine - how observant Claudia, sorry sokay Susan Ilene :) Wecht explained his theory why there was so little blood.. Jams, in my profesion I deal with closed head injuries all of the time - and bleeding is not present by definition profession pip, was JB's a closed wound - I thought it was open? there was no bleeding from the head wound and what is that pip? I thought it was closed thats what I read mati there was 7ccs of blood or two level teaspoons... yes, he said the garrote was pinching the vegas nerve and slowed the heart - less blood being pumped THERE WAS NO BLEEDING BECAUSE IT WAS CLOSED! thats what I thought too so pip when did the bleeding stop? you seem to believe wecht only when he makes YOUR point, Jameson! She was sick in 1993 - YEARS beforethe murder Lisa = point that out to Lance *** jameson has quit IRC (Connection reset by peer (TCP/IP connection broken)) ugh, that's 3 times tonight.... LB, I can't seem to get this through to you, I am talking about a closed head wound, look it up The poor child kept chronic sinus infections throughout her last years... I am not talking about an open Jammy thinks she can drive me away by EXPOSING ME pip, by a closed wound, do you mean the skin was not broken? yes, I am stupid(: what was the overall condition of her physical health at the time she died? when did the bleeding stop? *** jameson (jameson245@XXXXX.abts.net) has joined #wrow Are you exposed Mrs.B why is she 'exposing' you? above you wrote "that's what I read Mati" RE; a closed head wound She had a recent bout with sinus problems again. yes, wearing VIctoria's Secret - you? snow, yes Good not that you're stupid :-) thanks, pip. pip when does the blood stop? *** EdM has quit IRC (Ping timeout) but there would be internal bleeding, correct? No evidence that he was interested with pedophilia - none thats what I want to know snow right snow, internal bleeding A father can control his child, a brother or stranger cannot. no evidence does not mean he wasn't interested And if John was having sexual relations with JonBenet prior to the murder, and Patsy knew about it...there's the foundation for blackmailing John into the cover-up no evidence that YOU know about but it would vary depending upon whether arteries or veins were involved Exactly, Destiny. if cerebral artery - yes a lot of INTERNAL bleeding no need to clean it up! You can't use speculation as evidence pedos don't annonce their illness to the world, esp when they are ceo of billion $ corps exactly There are basically two types of pedophiles - fixated and regressed. Jams...everything about an intruder is nothing but speculation :-) so no big deal? is that what he is saying It is speculation that John is NOT a PEdo Wallington admits in his book that he wrote it only to pay for his self-publishing business... *** EdM (user@XXXXX.ipt.aol.com) has joined #wrow grumpy - Smit said there is evidence of an intruser, clear and substantial evidence of an intruder Smit has....how much credibility? plenty excellent credentials in bed with the rams, jams, smit is not objective at all I don't believeso http://www.windsorhouse.com Smit said a lot that he was paid to say...Thomas says otherwise, as do other detectives he's said that he PRAYED with them wb, ed(: thanks snow, got disconnected Smit was paid to be a prosecution investigatoor - not to help the Ramseys my point exactly, Jameson, and he lost objectivity right, and Boulder County shoud get a refund I agree, Mrs. Brady! Oh - he was supposed to prosecute the target and not investigate? getreal or a recall Well, if Smit would get over his dementia, he might be able to help :-) No, he was supposed to stay objective and not become PERSONALLY involved with the Rams. That's where he lost objectivity, Jameson The BPD couldn't make a case - they don't have the evidence - Smit didn't stop them from investigating, couldn't stop them from making a case if the evidence was there If he had not developed a personal relationship with them, I would give his intruder theory serious consideration Exactly Pip but the proponents of the intruder theory seem to have this in common - a personal relationship with the rams - including you, jams he doesn't have a Personal relationship with them - Thomas prayed with them at the funeral - so what?? The BPD can make a case, if they'd eliminate Hunter Isn't prayer a very intimate activity? AT THE FUNERAL is one thing, Jams, Smit had other personal interactions with them It was a noose. I didn't meet the Ramseys until 17 months after this started - I was pro-Ramsey before that - Patsy asked him to check on the house If the Grand Jury indicts the Ramsey's will you accept their collective decision - Jams? no NO - an indictment with that low standard by a gj is not evidence of guilt that's fine, jams, but obviously the "objectivity" was not there if you were driven to MEET tham If that's true, it sounds like the Rams can sell you your own soxs whatever, pip oops --- putting words in jammy's mouth... I don't follow this case closely, were the Ramseys ever asked to take a lie detector test? yes, Claudia T. Don't speak for me yes Jams, you can dismiss this but it is true - personal relationships cloud objectivity. oooh, we're getting more feisty.... yes - so does "gang" mentality I want to know how Wallington spent his time when he was 9 and 1/2. Shufelt I can guess. ok pip I was told that I had conversation with you ...is that true? Trainer with his mother what's my maiden name???? shufelt? Hmmm....I hope the gang mentality statement wasn't meant for me, since I am not part of any gang and have been objectively seeking a sound intruder arguement which has not materialized, Jams Who cares, want the city? But this would be a collective decision by people appointed to obtain necessary information in a case that needed assistance.... HIckory? HOme of duct tape factory? home of Zeb Bennett? yes - as is in THE BOOK LB, yes, you basicallly posted out conversation at WB, so you know this Mrs.B :-) anyone care for a tootsie roll?(: who is WB? if you don't know my maiden name, you don't know squat I neverknew of Zeb until you found him - comon, show me what you have, you started it... hang on I have to leave and come back *** pip has quit IRC (Web Browser moved off chat page) . No,you started it but it will be on the TimeLine if you keep it up. Ill have a tootsie roll with a fat whacker chaser thanx Snow you started it, I have witnesses (: mati go ahead, I'd LOVE to be in the timeline!\ I will take that as an invite Is anyone going to call in ?? Jammy is showing her true colors tonight, must be that time of the month how's the weather in Australia, Mati? No, just tired of your mouth its hot Lisa - hopefully winter will come soon ""Mouth""???? or trying to shut me up??? on who's orders? Russell Karsh and Hagans? Jams...is there anyone that you like that doesn't agree with you? LOL - you are SOparanoid oops, when jammy says LOL, that means BINGO you're typing on a warm afternoon on another continent even as we speak...how surreal god, you two sound like spoilt children! You started it! No You! it's dark and cold here Oh Lisa - you are SOOO cool! me? where is timmmmmmm? no (time to kiss up to the moderator) time to ignore Claudia - don't want to ruin the show or chat back to case no, I'm not done yet... Oh yes you are unless you like talking to yourself timmmmm is in Toronto lol Poor Wallington... his view is so simplistic. Get the hook. wait, I have to go pull my Shufelt files... Where's Sundance? just set to ignore do it in another forum - this is Lance's show and I know all your crap She is on ignore LDBug, who are you ignoring ? I'm not ignoring but save the fighting til later Her wee dog Buzza. *** pip (java@XXXXX.dnvr.uswest.net) has joined #wrow All American family - wb, pip(: Well every father should at least show up for Christmas and Birthday parties. John worked hard - that makes him a killer? Or her? Right Lake He wasn't even in the Christmas vidio thanks snow - I scrolled and couldn't read latest posts! I think John plays hard too Howmany men want to be in Homes and Gardens or in Junior league type videos who films after dinner? John working hard doesn't rule him out, either, Jameson I've done that before, pip - it's aggrevating. :-) snow Missy, I've recently read that John has a pretty bad temper Wearins socks doesn't make him a suspect - *** mati has quit IRC (Connection reset by peer (TCP/IP connection broken)) And the son needs more attention from the father for self esteem purposes. I hear tell that even Patsy is afraid of him right Jameson, but you keep using trivial stuff to defend him - not I've heard that too, grumpy. I don't have to defend him- there is no evidence that shows they did it He showed his temper to the photographer awile back.....Frank Coffman and I don't blame him at all for that, missy who said that Grumpy ? Starling...where did you hear tell? If you cannot be swayed, jams, you cannot be swayed - that isn't such an objective place to be. I am anxious to be swayed! But Jams...there's no evidence that shows that they didn't :-) Right - I mean he is confronted at night by some guy he doesn't know and the guy is pulling something from his coat... I like the jumping up on a picnic table story myself.Lol must be funny I did that myself starling *** mati (matilda@203.57.129.999) has joined #wrow wb, mati(: wb mati hi mati :-) but snow you can't blame the guy for wanting a picture can you? he needs to eat it is his job yes Missy some privacy please *** psychic (java@XXXXX.ispmodems.net) has joined #wrow I think Coffman probably set him up, but that is JMO - in that case, I think it is very wrong. Hi psychic hi, psychic(: hi pschic Hi mati,snowwolf They gave up their privacy when they did that first CNN interview instead of talking to the police LDbug hi psychic LB will any of you be calling in tonight? LOL LDBug...privacy? after the public spectacles they made of themselves with their flyers and what not? but not long months after good question - who's calling in ? I missed it, what is the subject tonight? I don't think I can compete with AN INTERNET PERSONALITY! Snow, coffman said he was in front of his house Lol really, bj? It was not in front of Coffman's house it was on Pearl street and Coffman does not live there - a couple bocks away The incident wasn't but that is where FRank realized John was there BN posters, come out from under your hats psychic, the topic is, "Lance Matthews, Internet Personality, exploits the JBR case for all it's worth to further his own career" It was in front of a public restaurant.... That is bullshit Jameson that you are suggesting a gun...get real brb thanks pip why are you here then, pip *** psychic has quit IRC (Web Browser moved off chat page) participating in the event *** psychic (java@XXXXX.ispmodems.net) has joined #wrow I don't believe he really thought it was a gun, but still do understand the frustration with photographers.' watching the spectacle, lance I don't make up the news I hear - I just report it ... I posted Coffman's story days before I heard the 'other side" I'm not Lance, you know If Coffman wanted to get some real information, he should hold a gun to the head of FW. Does Coffman own a gun? back i doubt Coffman owns a gun wb, p2(: Snow, I don't blame John for being frustrated ether but Jameson spins the story from a camera to a gun. John was upset, he had reason but forget the gun bullshit thanks snow *** ak (java@XXXXX.ipt.aol.com) has joined #wrow hi, ak(: Hi ak Snowwolf, are you calling in tonight? Lance or Lisa, you do share the nick in here, you can relay the message hey ak i can't even hear the program, lisa. we got a new computer and it is giving me problems): Yo, guys! Caught the end of Cyril. He thinks JR did it?!?! have a friend whos son was stopped by Hwy patrol..kid reaches into coat and boooooooom he's shot dead! sh*t the news is on snow I agree LD Bug...cops are too quick to pull the trigger People are paranoid now - so many guns and crazy peopleout there would you describe this as a "bogus production," Pip? gee, it's driving me nuts not hearing it!!! What else did Cyril say? ads now snow Don't you have RA Snow? thanks, LB(: turn your radio on did you download the G2 snow? it says I have to re-install it and it takes a while): no, Lisa/Lance, I would describe Lance as an unneeded factor new computer Snow? :) Faster? Lisa, are you taking ??s for the guests? yes(: but I am having trouble getting used to it(: ak:yes but did you take the player G2...not gsquared LOL I want a new one again - when we were in Atlanta I accessed one that was like lightening - but I need to type faster an unneeded factor? How so? I thought we did, but it says NO we didn't - and R is gone for the evening. Would you ask if Bosworth feels JB was suspended by the rope? (thanks.) thanks Iflowers *** Fra has quit IRC (Web Browser moved off chat page) what speed is yours now, jameson? oh, come on L/L - "an internet personality"? This is clearly for his own publicity, he isn't a player that was Dave's term LYLE case being treated as homicide - was there a reason to change?? what would you suggest pip? Well, Lance has allowed him to continue more than once with that term, L/L and thus far it hasn't gotten an exorbaint amount of publicity... except on the internet, of course I would suggest that Lance go back to whatever he does well he does well this is what he does well I think Lance is an internet personality - we all are - all different personalities on the internet your opinion, L/L LOL Nite everyone. Take care! *** Starling has quit IRC (Leaving) he is a self made media whore, LOL nite Star night media WHORE??? PAID??? At least Lance admits it !! stern taken off ha h a Well, Jams, I think that you could find the connotation in using this as his byline, if you thought really hard about it apparently reaching someone How can I get to be a well paid media whore? LB, did you graduate from high school? apply psychic I dont know where? but if you find out, let me know just like you pip *** Guest259 (JAVGUEST@XXXXX.nycap.rr.com) has joined #wrow I could use the money *** MrsBrady has quit IRC (Web Browser moved off chat page) Probably not like me LB yes just like LOL LOL that wasn't a complete sentence LB ignore pip but I understand, I really do its easier :-) Hey guest hi, guest(: hey Hi Guest hi Lake sounds like a manly kinda girl. Lake sounds nervous - I am glad he called in Are you of the show or just from NY? is Lake on the phone now? yes yes yes snow yes I hear a southern accent. Not much common sense, tho. :-) I thought Lake was female. Lake is not as cocky as he was with Hoffman Bleep? Drunk? Hostile? ??? I love the southern accent sounds like a guy to me yes so do I mati me too mati Was Darnay on earlier? Who else before Cyril? hostile would fit, ak. The evidence wouldn't have been very different anyway, if the police acted better. No Darney tonight not just the police, but everyone involved, psychic Mrs Brady was on for awile same thing i mean, it would have been very different, I think Thanks! Appreciate hearing about what I missed. what could have been diff? if dogs had been called in, the body could have been found sooner, and no one would have messed with anything. That can't be Lake. Nothing is ever clear with him/her! good point, Snow thanks(: True, but maybe there wouldn't have been any other evidence to find? *** Grumpy has quit IRC (Connection reset by peer (TCP/IP connection broken)) maybe not more, but the body wouldn't have been touched, the tape removed, etc. why weren't they snow ? even there own pet could have found I know mine would even my EG there were so many people in and out of the Ramsey house that morning that it boggles the mind true, it might have helped, but doubt it. wouldn't a major crime scene be off limits? should have been a controlled crime scene who is this caller????? *** Grumpy (java@XXXXX.cosmoaccess.net) has joined #wrow if the Schiller book is right, it was because they were arguing over which dog to use, so they just forgot it. Dan from NY *** Destiny has quit IRC (Web Browser moved off chat page) I agree, all the people didn't help for sure. *** Destiny (java@XXXXX.san.rr.com) has joined #wrow thats the bungle the caller is right How did it happen...right then, true. I think it would have made the world of difference, but we can agree to disagree(: They should have "went" in. Ow. I thought it was interesting Fernie said he walked around the house to get in and he would have left footprints the Ramseys should not have been left unattended It might have. I agree with you, snow Arndt should not have been the only cop at the house I guess. no...the PD should have been with them entirely right, she shouldn't have been. What about a ransom note writer with a journo background...? The note is very obvious. Note for ransom. College toen - lots of educated people there town I thinkPatsy would have asked for a million - educated does not mean genteel or polished everyone in Boulder seems to be either journalists or artists(: I think it's just basic correct english, not journalistic writing. True, snow. LOL Who would kidnapp anyone in the 1990's??? If I need money that bad, I would rob a 7-11 Jameson, does it mean anything at all that Patsy is the only of many considered individuals who has not been ruled out as the author of the note? educated is just someone who takes time & money to get a degree but Sickpuppy planned to kill her, it never was a kidnapping 0 the note proves that lance is good Lance is doing well. Too bad he's such a jerk on BNF. They were not going to collect any money...the $$ was not meant to be collected he's been doing good on BNF lately. pip - she is not the only one who has not been ruled out - don't believe that bs. wouldn't know dont go True, jameson, I believe. But everyone already knows that. :-) it's impossible to post there anymore without getting flamed Really? I gave that forum up becuz of his hijinx,, *** Guest259 has quit IRC (Web Browser moved off chat page) Jameson, really> who else has not been ruled out? only ruled out is what we have been told Please ignore me LB There are several who have been asked for several handwriting samples who are inconclusive and many others have not been asked for their samples I am Jameson, who else has not been ruled out? ha did you read Destiny? which suspects were not ruled out, Jams? said it quite well jameson, have they been on the same level on the handwriting scale as Patsy? Few HAVE been ruled out for their handwriting - it is like a bell curve - few CAN be positively ruled out OR IN I think what he was going to say in the note was planned, so it wouldn't take very long. OK, I'm asking WHO, Jams? I think the note said,"Look at what I did, can't find me." sorry pip - no response because I heard a list of those who have been ruled out I'm with you psychic Have they been cleared?? no response becasue you can't share the info Jams? But you think the parents wrote the note? as authors of the note, I believe so You tell me where you see anyone has been cleared by that info Jams...How would you know if they have been cleared or not? LB, I don't. Well, JR was ruled out as author of the note, so was Burke I heard that on local news, i guess I could research the source *** Texas (java@XXXXX.vvm.com) has joined #wrow "santa" was ruled out as the author hi, Texas9; and I believe his wife was, I'm not sure Were'nt the paughs cleared too? Hi Texas I think so Missy, yes I thought santa was inconclusive, pip. Hello Tex So Jameson, who is yet to be cleared, besides Patsy? Hi, Texas I heard he was ruled out, snow as author of the note, that is oh, ok, thanks(: We don't have those results, haven't been made public, right? the plummer Barnhill was cleared, I believe I don't know, because the names I mention above were discussed in the media they took several samples from his boarder, though God, please, no more Schiller... schiller is a hammer I have to assume that, if they are saying Patsy was not cleared, they would tell of others I think if anyone really has been cleared by the BPD, if their name is public they should be offered a public clearing i agree, jameson Oh, my, I can't believe how slow my computer is running....but so glad I can lurk here? who is this? on the telly? don't know Maybe I'm being misleading - I mean cleared of having written the note the voice sounds familiar, for some reason and I agree that those cleared of the crime deserve a public clearing aurgh, wish I could hear it!! but I also think someone else may be involved who did not write the note Snow.. yes..... They SHOULD have been seperated...that's why the case isn't solved Lance says to call in now...he'll give you a line so you can hear What's the 800 #? oh, thanks(: WROW-590 he is saying the date on the headstone indicates the Ramseys did it - *** Texas has quit IRC (Web Browser moved off chat page) Hey Snow...now that's service...:-) yes, Thomas said that brb jams - the date, combined with other facts makes his theory Is he saying the kids played Doctor?? *** LDBug has quit IRC (Connection reset by peer (TCP/IP connection broken)) *** pip has quit IRC (Web Browser moved off chat page) yeah, i can hear it(: kewl they never identified the caller or she never identified herself So where is Pam? Is she still gagged? . *** jameson has quit IRC (Connection reset by peer (TCP/IP connection broken)) *** LDBug (java@XXXXX.cen.quik.com) has joined #wrow wb hi got lost wb, LB thx *** jameson (jameson245@XXXXX.abts.net) has joined #wrow wb thanks wbJameson(: The older kids supporting the parents is important, IMO I know my older kids would NEVER cover for ANYONE hurting the younger one nor would mine *** Destiny has quit IRC (Web Browser moved off chat page) *** Destiny (java@XXXXX.san.rr.com) has joined #wrow brb wb Destiny *** Grumpy has quit IRC (Connection reset by peer (TCP/IP connection broken)) *** mati has quit IRC (Connection reset by peer (TCP/IP connection broken)) break now snow *** Grumpy (java@XXXXX.cosmoaccess.net) has joined #wrow where did you go Grumpy ? wb, grumpy(: I got lost LDBug...thanks snowwolf I think Cyril Wecht would have written a different autopsy, OK... I do that too I have a father calling for help He loves the spotlight and sensational cases. I don't trust him - *** mati (matilda@203.57.129.999) has joined #wrow hmmmmmmmmm wb mati have to try and get my ra playing now wb, mati(: JMO, of course k but he sure lost me when he was spewing on Geraldo but he seems to be good, jameson. I didn't see that show. hardly ever watch tv ak is on(: he is a showman she has a nice voice - sounds scared... nervous maybe yes, yes, it is scarey to talk on the radio. yes you did well any help snow? *** Texas (java@XXXXX.vvm.com) has joined #wrow I got cut out on part of yours snow Hi Tex thanks, but i was scared to death why? cant see you Are you gonna talk Snow? she cant hear if I can think ot something to ask Hi Lisa....I no evidence the bed was wet. But Patsy was not upset over wet sheets Who is AK? why would a Mother be so concerned I don't understand not sure *** kiddle (kiddles@XXXXX.nycap.rr.com) has joined #wrow hello hi hi I want to know what state she is from - she sounds familiar. :) hi, kiddie(: Hi Kid hi kiddle hello ever one Hi Kid hello i think am in the worng room sorry bye bye *** kiddle (kiddles@XXXXX.nycap.rr.com) has left #wrow LOL Dave LOL..Wallington is funny BS Who is talking now? Wallington OK...who is Wallington? the "Burke did it" guy apparently another $ book maker anyone have any questions they want me ask? of who? AK sure sounds like a voice we have heard before? any of the guests Nite all nite(: not me they said enough nite, Grumpy nite Grumpy *** Grumpy has quit IRC (Web Browser moved off chat page) *** jameson has quit IRC (Connection reset by peer (TCP/IP connection broken)) nite grumpy got oars mati? too hot for rowing LB No, I wasn't scared. He picked up as I was cleaning my catbox, I was distracted! taking a break for CBX news I see AK is here...What hat do you use, Ak? Not meaning that as a flame....:-) good job,ak very good ak A.K. is what I use. This chat wouldn't accept it. Thanks, it was fun. nice job ak Guess now ya all know I'm a girl. :-) *** jameson (jameson245@XXXXX.abts.net) has joined #wrow sure did sound like one ....ha *** Destiny has quit IRC (Connection reset by peer (TCP/IP connection broken)) *** LDBug has quit IRC (Connection reset by peer (TCP/IP connection broken)) Guess ya know AK that I haven't read your posts...Sorry, cause you did a great job! *** psychic has quit IRC (Connection reset by peer (TCP/IP connection broken)) Waaaah, Texas. That's OK, I get all you Texans mixed up. LOL AK...Where do you post? AK - you sounded good nice voice *** LDBug (java@XXXXX.cen.quik.com) has joined #wrow Thanks, you guys. Jams, I liked your voice too. Funny how this reveals more than our posts Just JW, Tx Auntie, Lance wants to know if you got the tapes? where are you fromAK *** mati has quit IRC (Connection reset by peer (TCP/IP connection broken)) state? area? mati u arent useing the oars send them Hey AK - now I know YOU are female - HA! Wish I wasn't banned from JW, AK, cause then I would know what you post... :) texas *** mati (matilda@203.57.129.999) has joined #wrow I'm from... hey, I ain't telling! ;-) How come you were banned, Tx? me too, AK - you should post on Yahoo or WS where everyone can read. :) Yep, LB, us rabblerousers are banned! Yahoo has a JBR forum? Didn't know. I was never allowed in JW - I m shhh... don't tell anyone..... but I am .....PRO-RAM I keep getting disconnected and vocal really, jameson?? LOL its doing pitchforks where I am I wasn't banned, I was never allowed AK...I think I was banned long ago for something that I don't know? try again Texas keep the secret snow boy, I'll sure try(: you might be able to read Vocal, Jams, but with a very sweet voice. Snow are you calling in ?? LB.....Nope, I am not gonna beg them to be allowed in... Where do you post, Tx? *** psychic (java@XXXXX.ispmodems.net) has joined #wrow ok Texas we luv u just the way you are I post at BNF and WS, AK I'm on the phone but haven't thought of anything intelligent to sa(: wb psychic hi,back. wb, psychic(: thanks its late gosh your all up late :-) Snow, you could ask DW if he's read Schiller's book: it sez cops ruled out BR. AK...I think I was banned because I like Murphy... thanks, AK I think that is the best explanation Texas *** EdM has quit IRC (Leaving) Lisa, I don't know....I have to check where I had him send it. He mailed it? banned where Texas? Anyone know Schiller's advance? I heard $4mil. yes jw? Why would the Ramseys let Burke go with the White's, you know? He was not kept close like you would think if he had a secret... Yep, LB...and I do respect Murphy! When did he mail it? Would like to know what % Brennan got. to the address you gave him Psychic...banned from JW Murphy has been the best to me Murphy is a spitfire but not mean Jams, do you know the money they got? I respect her a lot no, AK, I don't wish I did Thought someone said that, didn't know to beleive it . Sorry anyway. I hope Charlie cleaned up, but I doubt he did. who is this on the line now? many are banned from JW - no big deal lake Lisa, when did he mail it? Murphy is smart, and I love her posts! not permantently banned? sorry...two days ago Okay, I will check on Monday Murphy has a way to keep things up and running No, Charlie got screwed according to rumor - I don't know details but he took a year off and did the book - his name is not on the cover and the thank you inside is kind of wimpy , IMO I am permanently banned, never was allowed in to begin with - Murphy too - many of us I thought so too, jameson - about Charlie. Charlie can't write on the book becauwse he has a financial interest Psychic...I don't care if I ever get to read at JW.....WS and BNF are enough for me..... and I wonder how much work he has to do on these corrections jameson-I think Chris gota little too worried. If you would say that you weren't going to cause any trouble? LS got $250k from Newsweek, not sure how much from Globe I don't really have time for JW only for the 'Missing children' I think that she just wanted to be rest assured. *** jimtwo (java@XXXXX.taconic.net) has joined #wrow Hi Jimtwo hi, jimtwo Psychic - I was not interested in causing trouble. Chris was very specific about rules if I wanted to go in - and they were unacceptable Well, I miss you Texas! I mostly just go to jw. Well my question Jameson is if you feel that everybody at JW is anti-ram, why would you even want to go there? did Chris maybe not like 'facts'? They do compare facts at JW LB-I don't think that's it. Psychic..I never even posted at JW....I guess Chris thought I was posting elsewhere that was 'flaming' JW? I had to lurk for a while, then post but not be too vocal, accept flames with no comment - and thank them for their thread saying they hoped my daughter was OK after her car accident wonder what it was Are we sure this is Lake??? Doesn't fit my Armistead's Angels picture. yes - this is Lake Its Lake Sorry Texas. yes, there for a while, there was a loyalty oath thing at JW - LOL I think having a couple of forums temp shut down worries Chris. whatever, i am not there and that is fine *** jimtwo has quit IRC (Web Browser moved off chat page) how many others were banned I have no idea. yeah, we lost ours too - jameson I don't think you would have time anyway . You already have enough to do Jameson, you are the one who closed JW...so why would you want to go there? Lets face it... :) Can one post at WS w/o registering? Do you get color if you register? no Psychic....Try WS once in a while? Not as one sided as you think..I am still fence sittin'... can not Anyone can read at WS without registering - have to register to post - don't want borrowed hats Can you register with a juno acct.? Bullshit Jameson - Penny borrowed Tyzano's hat !!! Not hotmail or Yahoo - is Juno an anonymous one as well? I used my own Texas-I read there once in a while. Was on there for a couple of days until my hotmail address got erased. :-) yes it is *** Disconnected Session Close: Sun Feb 28 03:18:20 1999 Session Start: Sun Feb 28 03:21:00 1999 *** Now talking in #wrow *** Topic is 'The Dave Lucas Show: Midnight til 4; An evening of JonBenet Ramsey case Discussion with Dr.Cyril Wecht, Charles Bosworth and Dwight Wallington.' *** Set by matthews on Sat Feb 27 17:33:00 I do Lance has got a terrif voice. He could make a living at this. yes LOL - that was supposed to say $250.00 vote for Lance I'm psychic there on BNF. I usually complain of the fighting. :-) he's got a great voice...he should be getting paid, IMO Shoot, Jams, I was gonna send you an extra $4k. darn, I was getting excited - I had my camera ready - LOL Lance should go into phone sex? Is that what I am hearing?? sure Someone said Lance sounds like Christian Slater. Now I can't stop thinking of that. I say HI to you next time I see you Texas. no way...Christian Slater? I can't hear it Someone should collect and hold that money - - Christian Slater sounds like Jack Nicholson Slater and Nicholson aren't too far afield vocally. Young Nicholson anyway. I mostly just scroll, not even read. Trying to keep up with... nothing? :-) Slater has admitted that he attempts to emulate Nicholson She was as close to the parents as to Burke - in fact it would have been a straighter path even with the stairs Wallington's book has no scoops, right? Just tab rehash? Any indep. intvws.? not much, I mean. I'm not sure WS and Yahoo both are good forums, IMO BN needs a moderator What's the yahoo URL? Hey, Psychic, at least post at the JR at BNF...It keeps the flamers busy....(g) it is LONG - how do I drop something here? It's OK, I'll poke around later. Thnx I forgot Maybe- but I'm WAY behind there. Will have to jump hundreds of posts to post. Nope, Jameson...We need ONE forum without a moderator...and BNF is that forumm..IMHO isnt it just http://www.yahoo.com/chat trouble here People have dropped out because of the meanness, others stay away, I think it is a shame yes Kewl, thanks! maybe it's just the radio? they've made it impossible to post there *** Missy has quit IRC (Web Browser moved off chat page) Puhleeze! he feeds her and waits 2 hours to kill her? Do we know if the pineapple was taken from a can? Was the can found? *** Missy (java@209.152.80.999) has joined #wrow Got to say night all. night all . *** psychic has quit IRC (Web Browser moved off chat page) night we don't know it was pineapple But Jameson, there are many moderated forums....and sometimes there is still hope for a forum that doesn't have a moderator... Snow..you calling in or not? But pineapple was found in bowl. I believe it was pineapple but have no idea why DW sez it was her fave food. Tell Lance that the halls all had nightlights - nothing was dark i'm just listening - can't think of anything to say): texas - but this group has some real nasties - proven a bad thing,IMO Snow, ask Dwight if he's made more than $500 yet. ;-) (: Snow, ask why they think the red heart came from? Snow - the pineapple was eaten WAY before she died - went through her stomach - how does he figure that happened? Jams, WS makes me nervous cuz I heard you're assoc'd with the PLA. True? 2 hours of sex play? Most guys need about 2 minutes. lol Jameson...sure they have the nasties, but sometimes it still is better than having someone deciding what to delete...playiing forum god...IMHO no ak - totally untrue - no one posting at WS has been hurt. Anderson, LisaMarie and others that I don't consider friends are there, no harm AK...LOL...NO pla at WS Bosworth is a gent. I like him and think he and Wecht have a reasonable theory. Lake: Lance is telling me you have an autographed book from Wallington I hadda ask. No offense! Just was curious. No jury is ever going to be able to buy either of the senarios offered tonight. you can contact Lance about it at matthewslance@hotmail.com if you so desire Lake you're back, you butchy boy, you! no problem AK - the JW bunch loves to lie because they don't want anyone to post on WS, but several do - they have no problem Thanks flowers I read that stuff on BNF - re: the perl script. Not sure what it meant. Not a lot?! Hrmph. Got me - I just moderate the forum - it is set up and works - I am so busy with the TimeLine and forums i don't have TIME to hack anyone LOL I've never had any problems at WS ak......and I'm not even ProRam....:-) I have to ask.....AK, do you kinda feel that Jameson may not be fair as the Webmaster at WS? AK isn't there - how would she know? Maybe AK does read there? Right. I'm not familiar. That's why I'm asking. She said she hadn't been there, I thought I read on BNF that Shapiro is trying to join the FBI. True??!?! Whens the 48Hrs. pc? Sorry, Jameson, I didn't read that.. who is this? It's Diane Ladd! ?? love her voice! I don't believe Shapiro is trying to join the FBI. I must be invisible..... And the 48 Hours piece is still in production - unavoidable delays Hi Missy! Kind of an odd thing; I'd think he could go into TV reporting. I am glad you haven't had problems at WS, Missy Hi Texas.....I was beginning to wonder.....I was away for awile...LOL Too bad they couldn't do it for sweeps. Good 48 last week, against ER. On OCD. he wants to be an investigative reporter He is that. They had first planned it for sweeps but things happen Haven't seen much of you in a long time Missy............. snow u coming on? if not I am leaving Jams, will you appear on it? yes I'm getting tired Oh I spend what little time I have on the two Nightshifts on WS and BNF....How are you? At least that is the plan now How is Bratty? Yep, Missy, I miss her too.. Kewl, so I guess the $250/pix is no longer an appropriate bounty? Bratty is very busy with college and kiddies.... Well, everyone knew months ago that I am supposed to be on the documenatary Good questions, Lance! so I think if no one catches my pic before the doc. I should get the money Would ya please tell her I said Howdy and I am on ICQ as GSH? :) I'm not up to date. Can we get $125 for your back? My back is already on-line That's why I said it. how about your side? :) Ok Tex...I'll tell her ....she isn't on very often....I have to call her if I want to talk to her.... Texas, you're GSH? I remember you! Who's Bratty? He said no intruder... I am just glad that she is fine! I miss her, Missy! what about earlier in the day? ask him why Smit says there is CLEAR AND SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE of an intruder - LISAAA!!! ask him why Smit says there is CLEAR AND SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE of an intruder - No kidding, AK? What hat were you at BNF long ago, or did ya just lurk? got it Bratty is my daughter ak.....she used to post a little once in awile on WS and BNF..... I was nancy drew then. Thought it was too pretentious. Thanks, Missy. You I recall but not your daughter. Howdy to you both. If they wanted to kidnap her they would never have gone to the basement Thanks ak... they didnt plan to take her snow? yes?(: AK...I loved Nancy Drew...cause I wanted to be Jessica Fletcher! There MUST be some intruder who only has one leg... Hopalong Cassidy?! There was a time when all the fictional detectives were repped. ak:-) my sound went dead Who was that actor who lost his leg and arm in a cycle crash? Married to Kim Darby. Phillip Marlowe It is almost 3 in the morning here...Is this obsession or addiction? OR, insanity? :-) It's almost 4 here yes, tex(: It's almost three at my house too Tex.... addiction at it's finest - sweet madness It's 1 pm here. Guess where I am? Just KIDDING! *** LDBug has quit IRC (Connection reset by peer (TCP/IP connection broken)) ihere you go, jams...your ? here's your ?. jameson :) good Lance You know Jameson....I'd hold out for the $2500 for that picture instead of the $250.....LOL pat him on the head for me - or smile ... :) Nope, Jameson.....it is not a workman's footprint.. *** LDBug (java@XXXXX.cen.quik.com) has joined #wrow if the documentary doesn't air i might. :) I want it to be $4250 - i want laser surgery on my eyes(: I think it is the killer's I think so too, Jams Good idea snowwolf....ha (: missy good- he ia saying there is evidence he can't explain oh the religious angle bs keep posting I cant hear *** Netman (java@XXXXX.nycap.rr.com) has joined #wrow hi, netman(: Hello snowwolf. I am getting tired Hi netman Howdy, Netman congestion what are they saying? they are saying the R's didn't follow the note do as the notesaid ok we kno that only 10 more minutes, according to this clock *** Netman (java@XXXXX.nycap.rr.com) has left #wrow I think this is crazy that we are all here at this time of night...:-) ZZZzzzzzzzzzz Iflowers? saying they called people and that shows they knew it wasn't right yep Lisa still has to go out in the snow to go home - POOR THING :( panic thats what it was brrrr no snow in NC? no - about 60 today Hugs to all of you for being here this late at night...but goodnight! ah it was 78 degrees here today goodnight, Texas nite Texas nite, tex(: *** Texas has quit IRC (Web Browser moved off chat page) nite Texaas We don't know what J or P said on the phone to their pals. Coulda mentioned kidnapg/note. Nite Texas...nice seeing you right AK I wish they would release the 911 call yes, that would help did they tell the cops to come quiet? what was in the note? Charles Ng was just convicted on NO evidence. I believe the Rs will be tried and a conviction is reasonable. he's in the major bookstores? *** mati (matilda@203.57.129.999) has joined #wrow yes, I've seen it at Waldenbooks wb, mati(: Lance is on the ball! Pls give him my best, Lisa. You, too. indictment maybe - NO conviction with that DNA and lint, no tape source or matching tape or cord in house, no stun gun - - too much reasonable doubt will do...thanks We don't know what else there might be. Blockbuster possibilities. Hi Hi mati.. Just wait till the trial. Recall the twists in OJ. too hot for oars arggggggggh Hi Missy yes,there are lots of surprises out there Always, things come out, Investigations continue thru trials. lost me LB ?? not lost missed u It comes down to who the jury sympathizes with when they fill in the gaps. well, that's about it oh my ...Zzzzzzzzzz i think Thanks all, this was fun. very well Lance nice to talk to y all nite, lisa(: Nite all....bed for me too... nite, all(: I'll see everyone around...goodnight, all bye thank s Oh, damn - I should have had Lance mention the angels - maybe next week *** lflowers has quit IRC (Web Browser moved off chat page) Too religious for me... Bye! bye are you taking more angels, jameson? bye lake, you did great(: *** Missy has quit IRC (Connection reset by peer (TCP/IP connection broken)) ak visit my web page? *** lake has quit IRC (Web Browser moved off chat page) *** ak has quit IRC (Web Browser moved off chat page) http://members.xoom.com/mychild *** mati has quit IRC (Connection reset by peer (TCP/IP connection broken)) *** LDBug has quit IRC (Web Browser moved off chat page) yoo-hoo, jameson(: yes are you talking more angels? taking yes - They were all stolen all of them and I will ok, I saw one today I liked - will you send me the address. 2211 Highway 70E sorry Highway 70 SE pen, pen.... Hickory, NC 28602 *** Disconnected Session Close: Sun Feb 28 04:02:13 1999