Session Start: Sun Mar 14 00:52:57 1999 [00:52] *** Now talking in #wrow [00:52] *** Topic is 'Welcome to WROW chat. Tonight's feature; The Dave Lucas Show. Continuing coverage of the JonBenet murder case, with Darney Hoffman, victim's rights attorney and Cina Wong, Vice Pres. of the National Association of Document Examiners and a special guest to discuss the media's involvement in the case.' [00:52] *** Set by Recording on Sat Mar 13 22:51:11 [00:53] Hi BJ [00:53] hi, bj(: [00:53] hi bj Hi Baybb Hi Snow Hi Mrs.b [00:53] good one, AK...that should start the ball rolling:-) [00:53] Hi candy [00:53] Yo., Auntie Hi Phantom [00:53] Tnx, L. Is Cina on hold? Hi Texas [00:53] *** Bloomer (bloomer@XXXXX.nycap.rr.com) has joined #wrow [00:53] *** Bloomer (bloomer@XXXXX.nycap.rr.com) has left #wrow [00:54] *** Baylady (java@XXXXX.per-md.concentric.net) has joined #wrow [00:54] Hi BJ Hi Pati [00:54] T - do you have sound yet? [00:54] Howdy, Bloom [00:55] Nope...at 73% of the download [00:55] Hey BJ..... [00:55] For DH: Would a Colo. atty w/ your same arguments have gotten a fairer shake from Kane? [00:55] like watching paint dry, yah? [00:56] I think I put my RA on pause, days ago...and it keeps my RA from working.. [00:56] iFor DH (contd): Are they peeved that you're a New Yorker, and hence an interloper? [00:56] got it [00:57] good questions AK [00:57] Ya do know, Ma, that I am not good at 'puter things...so I am downloading AGAIN [00:57] Mrs.B, glad you threw that bone to CG re: his Spring column; otherwise he may not want to come back [00:57] LOL but it was a Chuck Green RA that I put on pause, and I can't get back to it to take it off pause.. [00:58] *** Angels_slave (java@XXXXX.nycap.rr.com) has joined #wrow [00:58] I feel badly for CG, having to pimp LS's book when he is a pro too. Doesn't mention Brennan much, does he? [00:58] men need ego massage - but that's my favorite column [00:58] hi, angels(: [00:58] I had forgotten about it, but when he mentioned it last time it was clear it meant something to him [00:59] *** damnion (java@XXXXX.nycap.rr.com) has joined #wrow [00:59] hi, damnion(: [00:59] hi snowwolf [00:59] Hi newbies. Do we know you from the forums or did you just stumble in here for cyber sex? [01:00] *** Bloomer (bloomer@XXXXX.nycap.rr.com) has joined #wrow [01:00] just came to say hi [01:00] hello [01:00] hi [01:00] LOL from the forums JW to be exact [01:00] hi, bloomer(: [01:01] AK....PMPL...Cyber sex? Surely you jest? [01:01] hey snowwolf [01:01] *** damnion (java@XXXXX.nycap.rr.com) has left #wrow [01:02] LOL, AK, how to win friends and influence people [01:02] *** damnion (java@XXXXX.nycap.rr.com) has joined #wrow [01:02] Chained to toilet??? Hear that one, y'all? [01:02] i noticed that, ak [01:02] 85%, Ma [01:02] *** damnion (java@XXXXX.nycap.rr.com) has left #wrow [01:03] *** Baylady has quit IRC (Web Browser moved off chat page) [01:03] I'm glad they got the ad machine working (not!) [01:04] Lance: Ask D. Hoffman if his experts believe that Patsy Ramsey wrote the caption the Rainbow Fish Players photo of JonBenet that his people used in their ransom note comparison. [01:04] *** Angels_slave (java@XXXXX.nycap.rr.com) has left #wrow [01:05] good question, faye... [01:05] What are Rainbow Fish Players? Church talent group? [01:06] Rainbow Fish is a child's book - probably was a skit or play type thing [01:06] Ah. Tnx, 'nip [01:06] Of course, that's just my guess [01:06] The one that murdered JonBenet wanted her dead.Why? It's a cruel crime from a cruel person. Hi catnip [01:07] Hi AuntieBJ [01:07] Lisa - ask CG if he thinks the gj should indict if the evidence is so weak that a conviction is not likely - [01:07] For CG: Has he ever written about another long-drawn out trial (as this will be)? Did he work the Smika case from the beginning? [01:07] got it [01:08] CG correctly points out that there is no motive there that matches - but he said Colorado does not require motive be part of the case. [01:08] Hi guys and gals [01:09] I think of motive as just a cherry on top, Jams. Not necessary but nice to have [01:09] motive as applied to a child murder case is a contradiction in terms, imo [01:09] I DID NOT just type that Hi g&g line. ????? [01:09] and according to CG, a pedophile is on the end of his list [01:10] AK...I agree...Once the evidence leads to a killer, then the motive can be found [01:10] there is no "motive" in the logical sense [01:10] *** Texas1 has quit IRC (Web Browser moved off chat page) [01:10] just by definition [01:11] For both: Won't the eventual jury think of this as JB's jury, as opposed to that of her parents? [01:11] *** Destiny (java@XXXXX.san.rr.com) has joined #wrow [01:11] boy do I agree with him on this....poor JonBenet's been forgotten by many [01:11] wb, Destiny [01:11] hey [01:11] hi, destiny(: [01:11] Who's this? Frank G? [01:11] yes [01:12] LOL removal of "obstruction" ie: Alex Hunter LOL.... [01:13] and "ain't that the truth" Chuck [01:13] *** Bloomer (bloomer@XXXXX.nycap.rr.com) has left #wrow [01:13] Does CG know anything about the 1st 911 call it was just lost along the way [01:15] Lisa - will they list who they think went in to the gj?? [01:15] got it [01:16] Last week I asked CG about the "second" 911 call. He said he heard it, but now wasn't sure if it was real. [01:16] That was a nice way to put it Darnay [01:17] Amen, to that! [01:17] maybe CG found out [01:17] well I'm getting tired...good night all.... [01:17] *** Pati has quit IRC (Web Browser moved off chat page) [01:17] nite Pati [01:17] *** Destiny has quit IRC (Connection reset by peer (TCP/IP connection broken)) [01:17] So, please ask him if the cops have specifically denied it, or could it be something that was leaked and shouldn't have been? [01:17] Night Pati [01:18] Don't they check here for ? AK you can ask too [01:19] nite, pati(: [01:19] faye, yes, Lisa is taking out questions into the studio [01:20] AMEN!! [01:20] For DH: If you were the def atty here, how would you explain away the mixed DNA in panties? [01:21] DH shuld stick to the subject maybe be likes to hear his own voice [01:21] everyone's questions have been submitted [01:21] thanks [01:22] I got your earlier question, Faye...Re: rainbow players [01:22] For CG: Laurion said Hunter had never met Haddon? Could that be true? [01:24] *** Scout (java@XXXXX.maplecity.com) has joined #wrow [01:24] The police thought that if they kept baggering the Ramseys, that they would just give in. [01:24] RMN was the only source to print it, yet Brennan doesn't mention it in PMPT [01:25] hi Scout [01:25] Hi All [01:26] CG doesn't WANT to answer about 911 wonder why [01:26] FYI - Chuck's column for tomorrow is on Toll Roads - not ramsey [01:28] yes...I would probably agree with that [01:29] Is anyone having trouble with net congestion? I'm not getting much of the show this week.. [01:29] LOL, MrsB. Lisa, is Dave Lucas reading our dialogue here? [01:29] the handwriting is some of the strongest evidence against the Ramseys that exists [01:29] Gotta go. Night all. JFJBR. [01:30] nite [01:30] *** Scout has quit IRC (Web Browser moved off chat page) [01:30] Night MsRac [01:30] *** Msracoon has quit IRC (Web Browser moved off chat page) [01:30] no, Ak...I'm actually isolated on the opposite side of the room from the studio [01:30] but Lance is logging this session [01:30] Good, I was worried that I slammed him last week and he saw it. Didn't mean to. [01:31] *** Scout (java@XXXXX.maplecity.com) has joined #wrow [01:31] I'm grateful to Dave for making his show available to us. Neat use of RA too. [01:31] Dave should be sentenced to listen to his own music, UGH [01:32] top of CG column tomorrow is on toll roads...second item referes to cops handling of Ramsey. [01:32] oooh thanks niteguy - I missed that completely You need some reporters Mrs.B [01:32] yes, this music has go to go :-) [01:33] got to go [01:33] *** Lamartine (java@XXXXX.ipt.aol.com) has joined #wrow [01:33] AuntieBJ, thanks so much for archiving these tapes. XOX Your welcome AK [01:33] no, I need readers, all I have time for is skimming [01:33] evening, Lamartine [01:33] evening [01:34] it's gofigure. couldn't get in with it. how is everyone? [01:34] hi:-) [01:34] this guy sounds stoned [01:34] He's gotta be one of us, New Zealand, lol [01:34] hi, lisa. nice to see your typing [01:34] funny you should say that, Mrs. B...:) [01:35] Personally, I much prefer a liberal DA. Keeps things balanced. [01:35] i don't have audio....who are you referring to as stoned, MrsB? [01:35] how have you been,gofigure? [01:35] great... really busy. haven't been able to come in and visit for weeks. missed it [01:36] Mrs. B was making a keen observation about Dan [01:36] the caller on the radio, from New Zealand sounds stoned [01:36] thanks [01:36] For DH: Isn't there an argument that you are not helping the case by dissing AH? Why not just stay cool, end is near! [01:38] *** mati99 (matilda@203.57.129.999) has joined #wrow [01:38] HI Mati [01:38] good question AK [01:38] HI matti!!! [01:38] Hi everyone [01:38] Hi Mati [01:38] Good ear, Lance. [01:38] hi Mati [01:38] how's the land down under? [01:38] LOL [01:38] great thanks Lisa [01:38] I think she was hit by a marble rolling pin, someone should check this out [01:39] What hat does Dan use in the forums? [01:39] Was that rushnut? [01:39] I love that guy! (Dan from "New Zealand") [01:39] rushnut [01:39] *** zzapd (java@XXXXX.san.rr.com) has joined #wrow [01:40] hi, zzapd(: [01:40] For DH: Have you ever repped a client who went before the GJ? How does an atty prepare that client? [01:40] I understand Bernard Getz is running for mayor [01:41] AK I don't think DH answers questions unless can ramble on and on with his questions [01:42] :-) Does Cina mind that DH calls her the "Henry Lee' of h/w docs? [01:42] Lisa - have lance ask them if they ever saw anyone write such a "composed" note after such a heinous crime. A garrote, bash in the head, sexual assault... [01:42] (AK, WROW should pay you for these questions) [01:43] gut check: On scale of 1-10, how do each of you rate CG as analyst on this case, 10 being a high rating? [01:43] I want the same millions you get for your site! ;-) [01:43] got your question, jams... [01:44] I give him a 6, but I just love his stuff [01:44] *** zzapd has quit IRC (Web Browser moved off chat page) [01:44] He is kind of a lazy sod, that CG. [01:44] *** lflowers has quit IRC (Web Browser moved off chat page) [01:47] WWwhat Documents did they compare it to [01:47] jameson hates him, so that puts him at least a 7 to begin with. lol [01:47] Wong is good, made some excellent points re: originals [01:47] *** lflowers (java@XXXXX.albany.albany.net) has joined #wrow [01:48] For CW: Is it really plausible that someone can write with his or her off hand? [01:48] And can she detect parts of the note that is off-handed. [01:48] i don't hate him... *** Disconnected Session Close: Sun Mar 14 01:50:01 1999 Session Start: Sun Mar 14 02:00:33 1999 *** Now talking in #wrow *** Topic is 'Welcome to WROW chat. Tonight's feature; The Dave Lucas Show. Continuing coverage of the JonBenet murder case, with Darney Hoffman, victim's rights attorney and Cina Wong, Vice Pres. of the National Association of Document Examiners and a special guest to discuss the media's involvement in the case.' *** Set by Recording on Sat Mar 13 22:51:11 Great slogan: Whack it! wb BJ Christ...soon people will be paying a fortune for a ply of Monica Lewinsky's toilet paper *** Destiny has quit IRC (Connection reset by peer (TCP/IP connection broken)) ugh, who chooses this music! horrid! I tried to buy fat whacker from the net but couldnt find none :-( probably banned in Australia mati LOL yeah *** zing (java@XXXXX.san.rr.com) has joined #wrow Hi zing that stun gun sound effect is in bad taste, IMHO very "drive time" so, are y'all gonna post your theories, as Lance suggested? As is his nonsensical accusation of Burke mine is here - at the top I know yours, jams:-) John did it in the kitchen with the telphone receiver *** babydoll has quit IRC (Web Browser moved off chat page) not the Ramsy family but I think we will be surprised as Judge Judy said Faye, Judge Judy doesn't know this case as we do. I am like Jams, I believe the killer killed JBR Judge Judy knows people like nobodys budness bidness Darnay's a big fan of yours, Mrs. B:-) What was Cina's AOL addy? jaja Judge Judy isn't wrong, don't believe she doesn't have the facts in front of her noforgery@aol.com Thanks de nada noforgery@aol.com ewww, a thigh? that's gross Anyone know when the Penthouse article is coming out? dunno, was supposed to be February, then March, heard it s April now *** Texas1 (java@XXXXX.vvm.com) has joined #wrow wb wb T, do you have sound now? Hi Tex Lawdy, yes, I have sound and I an fuming over Darnay Hi all I was better before I had sound....Darnay is a NUT, In my HO? He loses me when he lets JR off the hook. call in!!! both of you .....if you so desire really, someone should call besides "Dan" Darnay wants to forget the DNA I don't wanna be a show hog. But if you get desperate I will. What is the # again, Lisa Please do, AK nobody else is calling in...so you wouldn't be "hogging" anything 800-976-9590 thanks Ma urwelcom brb Pleeze somebody stop him Wow, a REAL caller?! love the accent, sounds cajun Haha, love those points. I have tried 4 times to phone and the line is busy wait a minute, Texas... we'll clear a line for you I thought most of the lines were open...my mistake brb what does she mean? who is she calling? I really don't know what I will say...but Darnay is such a twit HA, except Justice Watch :-) Kitty Naturally Catnit catnip *** mati99 has quit IRC (Ping timeout) 800-976-9590 That lottery guy's site is more like www.luckyguesser.com *** zing has quit IRC (Web Browser moved off chat page) Catnip, Your JW is on the Colfax links !! Thanks Auntie. I knew that Tara didn't have it on there Oh, sunnyday is Tara? Yes Ohhhhhhhh :-) back You might remember a small run-in we had *** Catnip has quit IRC (Web Browser moved off chat page) *** Catnip (java@XXXXX.elnsng1.mi.home.com) has joined #wrow woops wb wb, catnip(: CONGRATS T! Good texas !! that wasn't so hard was it! great job! you sounded very confident way to go, tex!! =) Yay! Tex! who is this now? prophet israel? Israel oh.... i get it now stop the presses, Magic 8-Ball has spoken she's some kind of medium Oh boy! Well, Ma,. I phoned, and I didn't learn anything except I am NOT good at phone talk! you did GREAT Tex! you made your point clearly, tex. AM I lagging? Where's Lake and Brenda? oh great "Dan" is coming into the studio? I like Dan. What hat does he use on the forums? George? I dont think so gotta be =) I thought he (Dan) was rushnut on BNF George always introduces himself yes...he is Catnip :-) Sounds like someone's been tippling the cooking sherry... Yep AK Reminds me of a guy we saw driving down the highway the other night No doubt in my mind :-) Catnip he wont' remember calling in in the morning Calling from the Albany Bar and Grill I hope I don'/t remember his call. 95,000 100,000 97,500? there are several habitually drunken gentlemen who call in to WROW on a regular basis it's a big magnent for drunks This guy may have a point... There MIGHT be a murder here!!! whatever, 200,000 on football weekends Amen to that, Maw it's the mystery..."the underworld" of late nite radio do dat to a liddle goil this is an expert on sickness I love you, man. Boo hoo hoo!!!!! ah...I hear footsteps. Here is Lance hi guys hey AK...why don't ya call? hi Lance meowww catnip hi, lance(: woem ok open forum...last hour....you gonna call? hi lance =) hey snowy hi go ;-) :-P anyone see that fight? I gotta go out and wait for Dan.... talk about injustice 800-976-9590 <---------lisa back <---------Auntie's Front LOL BJ I'm on hold. Cat, no plug for JW, right? Huh? I was told to not give out the JW URL. You want me to? Right AK What keeps us all here so late at night? ok Doesn't matter to me Why not? Who said not to? kisa Why not? y/n? Go fer it *** mati99 (matilda@203.57.129.999) has joined #wrow wb wb Mati Hi again I highly doubt someone really called and asked for commercials Alex Hunter did it in the Rumpus room with a turkey leg The killer killed JonBenet Ak is so perky! It's obviously not 3:10 a.m. where she is! I just want to smack perky people :-) *** kell\dave (scottdwood@XXXXX.snet.net) has joined #wrow can i swear in here she's good *BLEEP* you suck hi no...you suck 2 scoops - cute fuck you too *** Msracoon (java@206.125.225.999) has joined #wrow LOL wb, msracoon(: who might you be? Thanks Been listening but working off line what vile language....you should ahng down yer head,beeaytch hang down your head in shame was it AK who had the accident with all the dogs on the first show? Thaat was Ginja LOL, it was great, whoever, it reminded me of it oh...the accident with the Christmas tree *** mati99 has quit IRC (Ping timeout) AK sounds great...... *** kell\dave (scottdwood@XXXXX.snet.net) has left #wrow Yes she does, very good voice, very strong. LOL Poor Darnell he needs to get a real case where his expertise can be used *** Texas1 has quit IRC (Web Browser moved off chat page) 800-976-9590 Go AK! *** mati99 (matilda@203.57.129.999) has joined #wrow AK doesn't want to say who she thinks murdered well she sure did wb mati wb, mati(: I missed that, who did she say? Deluded. JR Ha Ask him who screamed that night? lisa, ask him why JR would leave PR alone with Burke then please(: Lisa, ask him who screamed please. *** momX4 (java@209.218.174.999) has joined #wrow Hi mom hi, mom4 hi guys hi mom Hi Momof4 sorry I took for long Hi Mom4 I'm not the momof4 that posts on websleuths LISA - have Lance ask my question about anyone being able to write such a "composed' note after doing that act - the bash on the head, the garrote, the sexual assault. She WAS their daughter, after all. Does he really think they could have been so calm to compose THAT LETTER??? I usually go by my4kids mom Hi Mom hey jams I think Dad of four was here last week - any relation yes dad is my hubby we tried to get on earlier but couldn't get in :-) i gave it to Lance, Jams anyone want some pineapple juice? Thanks MsRacoon welcome hubris - great word Jams what ever happened to the guy that was in jail around boulder then when he got out worked at some place by the ramseys.