Session Start: Sun Apr 18 00:02:48 1999
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<pati> HI Sue
<pipsqueak> hi SueB
<Matilda> Hi Jams
<Msrac> back
<Msrac> back
<mrsrick> hi jams
<mrsrick> Hi bj
<Msrac> back
<_jams> evening all
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<HeyJudd> hi BJ
<HeyJudd> LOL
* Angel wonders what the chat will be about tonight
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<Ruthee> some information on handwriting I believe
<Angel> ok
<lflowers> is anybody here recording this?
<LadyBug> Hi _jams
<AuntieBJ> Hi Judd
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<AuntieBJ> Hi Ruthee
<LadyBug> not me Iflowers dont know how
<lflowers> hi,snowwolf
<LadyBug> hi snow
<pipsqueak> hi snow
<snowwolf> hi, snowwolf(:
<Ruthee> BJ....howdy
<Matilda> Hi Snow
<mrsrick> hi snow
<Ruthee> hi snow
<Ruthee> good to see you
<mrsbrady> hi snow
<Msracoon> Hi snow
<AuntieBJ> You too
<snowwolf> hi, everyone - LOL, i'm still shook up from the wreck(:
<LadyBug> I am a wreck  what wreck?
<snowwolf> brian had a fender bender tonight, LB):
<LadyBug> YIKES!
<Ruthee> Oh Geez
<LadyBug> everyone ok?
<snowwolf> he's ok though, just scared - and Matt is OK too, so that's all that really matters.
<Ruthee> I assume everyone is ok since you said fender bender
<pati> hope he's OK...that's good...
<LadyBug> thats right    can get another car
<Ruthee> great
<pipsqueak> ...or another fender
<snowwolf> the other vehicle was a suburban
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<snowwolf> hi, Jan(:
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<mrsrick> hello Jan
<snowwolf> hi, bruce(:
<bruce> hi snowwolf
<AuntieBJ> Hi Jan
<BayBB> Hi Jan and Bruce
<pipsqueak> hi jan and bruce
<_jams> lflowers - open the box, please...
<Ruthee> whoa......Jan....long time no see....what ya doing
<bruce> hi all
<Ruthee> Hi bruce
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<mrsbrady> hi jaNNy!
<pipsqueak> hi mazi
<pati> hi maxi
<snowwolf> hi, maxi(:
<bruce> hi Ruthee
<pipsqueak> amxi :-)
<maxi> hi everyone.
<Ruthee> maxi!!! hello
<BayBB> Hi Maxi
<mrsbrady> hi maxi, youon a quest for the mysterious abrasion tonight?
<LadyBug> hi maxi
<Ruthee> I watched the draft all day  :(
<Ruthee> love football
<Matilda> Hi Maxi
<Jan> hey Ya'llH
<maxi> No one here to ask about the abrasion tonight.  So just hanging out.
<mrsrick> Cleveland has a team again!
<Matilda> Denver Broncos are coming to play in Australia Snow
<mrsbrady> I watched the draft all day too (against my will)
<mrsrick> Go Browns!
<Ruthee> lol
<bruce> i had to work :(
<maxi> I watched another kidnap thriller on CourtTV tonight.
<snowwolf> now, now, mrsrick - that's not nice(:
<Matilda> where do you buy fat whacker from ??
<Ruthee> 49ers rule !!!!!!!   not quite
<mrsbrady> kewell.   mati, you going to go (picket)?
<snowwolf> mati, I should come with them(:
<Ruthee> fat wacker......lol
<Matilda> Nah its in Sydney
<mrsbrady> bummer
<snowwolf> i know, ruthee, I love that advetisement
<Matilda> where can you buy fat whacker ?
<mrsbrady> and now, here's DAVE
<Matilda> I need some
<LadyBug> did you watch AMW tonight anyone???
<BayBB> I didn't
<mrsrick> I taped it to watch tomorrow
<snowwolf> what was on, LB?
<mrsbrady> nope, didn't know it was on LB
<LadyBug> Im out of tape  tape thats been taped retaped to
<LadyBug> sund -pelosso
<bruce> darn ... no alex
<Ruthee> Outback Lotto Club????? :)
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<bruce> great steaks - bad numbers
<Ruthee> 70 degrees here
<mrsbrady> I hate you ruthee and your weather too!
<Ruthee> I always suspected it.  LOL
<maxi> It was warm today here - not where you are mrs. b.?
<pipsqueak> let's try to make Mrs. Brady laugh
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<Ruthee> except me...she is mean
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<Ruthee> Everytime I call her she's taking a nap.
<Ruthee> How old??????
<snowwolf> LOL, ruthee - 25, i think(:
<maxi> Mrs. B is a Taurus or a Gemini?
<Ruthee> Mrs b was peeking through the window
<pati> L little lat JR LOL
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<snowwolf> hi, annette(:
<maxi> hi Annette
<pipsqueak> hi annette
<Msracoon> Hi annette
<mrsrick> hello annette
<Ruthee> I know people who work on the case for free.  It's not unusual.
<BayBB> HI Annette
<Annette> Hi everyone
<Matilda> Hi Annette
<AuntieBJ> Hi Annette
<Ruthee> Hi Annette
<_jams> These people have not "just come on" - have been around for a long time - just really have to wait until the gj ends to start any serious work.  Can you imagine the flack if they started canvassing now?  lol
<pati> LOL
<Ruthee> I'm sure that at least some ot them have been there since the murder.
<BayBB> LOL Maybe if they had started sooner, there wouldn't have to be a GJ, Jams
<_jams> Huge news?  It is a standard action - Mrs. Brady is indeed spinning.
<Annette> Baybb thats for sure
<_jams> They are not saying they are sure of an indictment - it is standard procedure...
<pipsqueak> a little dizzy, Jameson?
<Msracoon> LOL
<_jams> right - it would be - 
<Ruthee> Don't beieve a word of it
<_jams> the first time they would hear about it
<_jams> Pam was right - it is standard.
<LadyBug> there was a winner in Boston for 272 million  a couple weeks ago      last week I bought a quick pick ticket and got the very exact same numbers
<maxi> Wouldn't the attys have to ask their clients first if they wanted to surrender?
<Ruthee> Im sure they have discussed this for hours and hours with their clients and gone over all possibilities.
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<_jams> OJ had that agreement too - but he broke it.
<pati> back to case LB LOL
<maxi> hi lizzie
<mrsrick> hi liz
<lizzieb> hi everybody
<Matilda> Hi Lizzie
<LadyBug> ha ha
<snowwolf> hi, lizzie(:
<BayBB> hi liz
<Ruthee> hi liz
<Msracoon> Hi Liz
<Annette> Hi Liz
<pipsqueak> hi liz
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<Ruthee> Photographs ...great
<pati> he he.....poor ol Pam
<bruce> this is day 229
<snowwolf> hi, dbarc(:
<mrsrick> pam could put an end to all this
<dbarc> hi
<pipsqueak> 229 of what, bruce?
<LadyBug> hi dbarc
<pati> right she said she knew who killer JonBenet
<bruce> Pam's greenlight for media endorsements
<maxi> hi dbarc
<_jams> standard operating procedure - correct
<LadyBug> of course its standard
<_jams> Darnay just told the truth.
<pati> go to spain LOL....
<maxi> But the Rams must have okayed it first.
<Ruthee> Of course, but the attorneys have discussed every possibility with their clients.  That's why they get the big bucks.
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<AuntieBJ> He's a lawyer !! He has no reason to doesn't lie on the Internet
<BayBB> HI David
<snowwolf> hi, DavidB(:
<DavidB> hullo all
<pipsqueak> Hi David
<Ruthee> Oh, looks like I'm right again Susan.
<Msracoon> Hi david
<maxi> hi David.
<LadyBug> on what Ruthee  I missed it
<mrsrick> hello davidB
<maxi> Why are they trying to be in a state where the authorities are not?
<Ruthee> Attorneys discussed the surrender with clients.
<DavidB> nice to see you all tonigh...    :-)
<LadyBug> thx
<_jams> Of course the Ramseys spoke to the lawyers about such stuff - doesn't mean they were part of the discussion this week.
<Ruthee> Oh, excuse me.
<_jams> never.
<Ruthee> lol
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<snowwolf> nice to see you too, David(:
<maxi> Is Burke part of the Haddon team?
<bruce> time to jump ship?
<_jams> LOL- everything sounds stinky to certain people - 
<pipsqueak> well, he isn't the captain, no reason to sink with the ship
<lizzieb> burke is technically separate from the haddon team
<pati> rats deserting the sinking ship
<lizzieb> i think
<_jams> Burke has his own lawyer
<maxi> Not that Burke.  Pat Burke.
<lizzieb> i mean patrick burke, jams
<_jams> Oh - OK
<pipsqueak> Jams - I think they mean Patrick Burke, attorney
<BayBB> LOL
<mrsbrady> ROFL
<lizzieb> he's not in with haddon, et al
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<pati> he may need his own lawyer before this is over..Burke that is.
<lizzieb> he already has one, jenkins
<LadyBug> I htink I will need one also
<maxi> One atty won't be enough if Patsy is indicted.
<lizzieb> lol, you just might, lady bug
<_jams> you need one LB?
<_jams> why??
<LadyBug> yes maybe so
<pati> be prepared for Dream Team II
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<Matilda> oops practicing 
<LadyBug> luv it mati
<LadyBug> show me how
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<dbarc> me too
<pipsqueak> oooooooh aaaaaaaaaaah mati
<lizzieb> kewl mati
<LadyBug> I wanna too
<AuntieBJ> Great Mati
<BayBB> Great Mati
<lflowers> hi dvus
<LadyBug> no secrets tell us
<Annette> Mati thats awesome ca nyo do some more? They are so pretty
<dvus> hi flowers
<LadyBug> only for squares like me she can
<Matilda> I was just practicing Annette so expect anything ok
<maxi> Did she just say a cupcake truck?
<pipsqueak> more, more, encore!
<snowwolf> hi, dvus(:
<dvus> hi snow
<Msracoon> Hi dvus
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<snowwolf> hi, msracoon(:
<LadyBug> ha ha
<Msracoon> Hi snowwolf
<pipsqueak> cute, mati - more! more!
<LadyBug> u r funny Mati
<DavidB> ;-) Matti
<pati> Oh gog she's plugging the perverts website
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<pati> sorry God...LOL
<maxi> mutual admiration society.
<LadyBug> do a re-do the halo is crooked
<pipsqueak> Where's eeday?  Mati and EEday could have a pop up marathon!
<Ruthee> Can you hit anyone I ask you to?
<Msracoon> LOL ask Yeager if he would like some grits.
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<snowwolf> I can,, ruthee(:
<pati> the handwriting thing sounds interesting LOL
<LadyBug> oooohhh thanks
<LadyBug> luv ya
<snowwolf> ooooh, that is pretty, mati(:
<Ruthee> thanks snow
<LadyBug> snow...they are all MINE !
<dvus> is this the jury room? :)
<snowwolf> well, you know me, I want yellow ones(:
<LadyBug> I know but wait
<Ruthee> I want Alex
<LadyBug> Mati needs a dark background for the yellow
<LadyBug> what for Ruthee???
<Ruthee> lol
<Ruthee> don't ask
<snowwolf> LOL
<LadyBug> nothing further
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<LadyBug> oh very nice
<LadyBug> I want chocolate rosese
<Ruthee> YES
<snowwolf> oh, thank you, they are beautiful(:
<_jams> Oh really, where could she go?
<Msracoon> Me too.
<Ruthee> Spain
<_jams> not a chance...
<Ruthee> Poland
<Ruthee> France
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<snowwolf> yes, chocolate would be great
<_jams> She knows an indictment is FAR from a conviction
<mrsbrady> Ira Einhorn
<Msracoon> hi nafmar
<LadyBug> not for you snow for me
<snowwolf> hi, nafmar
<snowwolf> now, you will have to share the chocolate(:
<pipsqueak> but...an indictment could result in all sorts of dirty laundry aired in public
<Ruthee> No chance
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<snowwolf> hi, star(:
<pati> if Patsy skips town, jam will you go with her?
<_jams> Yes, Dale, they can just "show up".
<maxi> hi Starling
<lizzieb> hi star
<mrsrick> hi star
<Starling> Hi
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<Matilda> 0,0 1,1 g'day Starling :) how you doing?!
<Msracoon> Hi starling
<LadyBug> bring it on dont you think thats a good idea pipsqueak?
<mrsbrady> hi star
<Starling> Mati:-)
<_jams> an indictment would open several cans of worms - yes.
<_jams> Discovery
<maxi> That's only if they have to be extradicted.
<Ruthee> No without permission and mutual agreement between parties.
<_jams> and the investigation will be opened as well
<pati> yes what, you will go with her?
<Ruthee> not
<LadyBug> YES  OPEN
<_jams> no Pati - I have no plans to leave the states - neither does Patsy
<pipsqueak> I think avoiding a trial would be a motive to flee wether or not the Rams think there's a case
<mrsrick> did she tell you that Jams?
<pati> he he...if she does you will be surprised I bet
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<lflowers> HELLO CHATTERS!!!  (Dave Lucas stops by to say Hi)
<Ruthee> hi
<mrsbrady> hi dave
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<mrsrick> hi dave
<Msracoon> Hi dave
<Matilda> Hi Dave
<Msracoon> Hi scout
<BayBB> HI Dave, Hi Jan
<_jams> I think at this point, if I was Patsy, I might welcome the opportunity to see what the state thinks they have - they have nothing - even McKinley said so...
<LadyBug> AKB  sund Pelosso
<pati> heh heh
<Ruthee> McKinley is not in the DA's office
<dbarc> test
<Starling> Hi scout
<scout> Hi All... Busy place tonight.....Great
<maxi> Why would they ask Yeager to write a psychological profile -- he's not a shrink.
<pipsqueak> Jams, do you think OJ killed Nicole and Ron?
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<mrsrick> If I was patsy I'd be shaking in my shoes by now
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<_jams> No, but she does have some good sources - or do you only think that when she says what you want to hear?
<maxi> hi lake
<Msracoon> Hi Lake
<Ruthee> If they have nothing....why aren't the Ramseys at the Courthouse right now.
<BayBB> Hi Lake
<Starling> Isn't Yeager the one who calls Patsy a psychopath:-)
<lake> Hi everyone
<mrsrick> hello lake
<Starling> Hi Lake
<pipsqueak> hi lake
<_jams> Yeager is not an "expert witness" - he writes reports fot cops to use to "push buttons".
<maxi> Yeager doesn't even know the definition of a sociopath.
<Msracoon> Yes, Starling Yeager is the one - because from the south and woman.
<pati> I don't remember Carol saying there is no evidence at all
<Ruthee> She has never told me she worked for the DA.....how about you Susan.
<pipsqueak> If the ramseys wanted to face this head on...the time was a long while ago
<maxi> Is he nuts?!  Forty percent?!
<_jams> LOL - the Ramseys aren't at the courthouse now BECAUSE they have nothing.... duh
<lizzieb> puhleeze - that's an absurd statistic
<lake> Yeager is a NUT!!
<lake> Thats ME!!
<pati> LOL this definition sounds like a lot of people I know
<Starling> Lol
<bruce> we're all a little nutzs
<mrsbrady> (love Yeager, he raises my blood pressure)
<Starling> Flol
<Ruthee> Duh.....they won't go on their own.....so they'll have to drag um in.
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<Starling> Hi snow
<maxi> hi snow
<pipsqueak> I think there is a cntinuum of "sociopath" behavior
<mrsrick> hi snow
<_jams> sociopaths - seems to me it is within the "normal " range according to Yeagar.
<Ruthee> wb snow
<pipsqueak> wb snow
<snowwolf> hi again - thanks(:
<AuntieBJ> Wow I think I can think of a few on the Internet that fits his description
<DavidB> wb snow
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<lizzieb> hi vole!!
<Msracoon> Hi vole
<Ruthee> as far as you are concerned, it is Susan.
<snowwolf> VEE!!!!! HI!!!!!
<mrsrick> hi vole
<Matilda> Hi Vee long time no see :-)
<pipsqueak> long time no see, vole - hi
<_jams> 99% on the internet must be southern belles  lol
<Starling> Hi Vole:-)
<pati> hi v
<vole> Hi!
<mrsbrady> hi vole
<Ruthee> hi vole
<maxi> hi v.
<mrsrick> I'm no southern bell
<DavidB> hi Vee :-)
<AuntieBJ> Me neither mrs.rick
<Ruthee> oh here comes the famous control word.
<BayBB> HI Vole
<lake> Well, at least Yeager does not single people out.  We are all sociopathic.
<_jams> mrsrick - Yeagar feels all southern women are sociopaths - 
<Annette> Hi vole good to see you
<Ruthee> does that include NC?
<snowwolf> yeager seems to think EVERYONE is a sociopath
<LadyBug> back
<snowwolf> wb, LB(:
<_jams> I think he must be a bit paranoid...
<mrsbrady> name it claim it theology?
<_jams> Ruthee, your obsession is showing
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<snowwolf> wb, lisa(:
<AuntieBJ> Cool Ruthee, are you obsessed with Yeager?
<lflowers> thanxs
<maxi> Why would the cops consult this guy?
<lake> A southern lady that goes to church and enjoys her children.  Now that is sociopathic.
<_jams> Like only mentally disturbed people say their loved ones have moved to a "better place"?
<Ruthee> I think mrs. B has dibs on him. :)
<dvus> teehe lake
<pati> and then turns around and murders them .....
<snowwolf> uh-oh, then I must be one, lake(:
<AuntieBJ> He has a sexy voice
<lake> God forid that we should try to apply logic to what Yeager says.
<_jams> The cops hired him to write a report - as directed.
<mrsbrady> he's cute, I'd have lunch with him again in a nano second
<AuntieBJ> Cool Mrs. B
<LadyBug> why lunch mrs b?
<Starling> Lol
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<snowwolf> hi, sofia(:
<Msracoon> Hi sofia
<Starling> Hi Sofia
<Matilda> Hi Sofia
<mrsrick> hello sofia
<maxi> hi sofia
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<Sofia> Hello
<Starling> Hi lost
<vole> hi sofia and lostword
<Msracoon> Hi lostword
<Ruthee> hi ssofia
<Matilda> Hi lost word
<maxi> hi lost
<Ruthee> Hi lost
<mrsrick> hi lost
<pati> Well I for one have wanted to throttle a few people in my lifetie...LOL
<AuntieBJ> Hi lost
<snowwolf> hi, lostword(:
<lostword> I'm Lost
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<snowwolf> join the club, lostword(:
<LadyBug> me too pati thats why I may need an attorney
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<lake> Yeager needs to get out more. He is TOOO close to his work.
<snowwolf> wb, bruce(:
<maxi> Good Grief!  We're all base or arrogant and therefore psychopaths!
<bruce2> tanks! :)
<maxi> He'd have to be awful cute to make up for that kind of thinking, Mrs. B.
<mrsbrady> well, if you ever get to philly - I'll arrange a lunch - he's a riot in person
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<AuntieBJ> Now that might just be worth the trip Mrs. B
<lake> Let Yeager keep talking and he will bury himself.  Give Ma a shovel to dig him out.
<_jams> lol Lake
<mrsbrady> but it has to be Chinese...
<lostword> What is the opposite of a sociopath?
<AuntieBJ> I'll bring a shovel to dig him out....  what a man !!
<maxi> an altruist.
<AuntieBJ> I love Chinese
<maxi> Or maybe an empath.
<lake> Well, ABJ, I hope you have a good back!
<AuntieBJ> And I like their food too !!
<lostword> Sounds like they might be similiar in outlook
<LadyBug> haaaaaaaaa
<snowwolf> LOL, BJ
<AuntieBJ> Why will I be on my back a lot?
<LadyBug> ha ha
<mrsbrady> BJ!
<maxi> lol BJ!
<lake> No.  A lot of digging out!
<AuntieBJ> I dig him
<snowwolf> BJ - go to the corner(:
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<AuntieBJ> LOL
<AuntieBJ> It must be the sociopath in me coming out !!
<AuntieBJ> I just say "Go Dale" !!
<maxi> The trickle down theory of religion.
<lake> Yes, ABJ you two would make a DREAM TEAM
<mrsbrady> Hes not THAT cute, kind of rolly polly 30ish, boyish charm, very passionate (about his work)
<lostword> Aren't sociopaths distructive?
<maxi> Yes.
<AuntieBJ> Dream Team???
<LadyBug> who wants a baby?
<_jams> If parents are "INTO religion" the kid is too - at least here in the south  LOL
<maxi> Nobody wants a little baby, when a real man can be found.
<AuntieBJ> He has a great voice though
<maxi> You been a good old wagon, daddy but you done broke down.
<LadyBug> why the 30ish ???
<mrsbrady> I'm 40ish, and he seems younger than me, hence 30ish
<AuntieBJ> Young blood
<LadyBug> ok   :)
<lake> IS THIS EVIDENCE or SPIN?
<AuntieBJ> Could be both Lake
<maxi> This is nuts, lake.
<snowwolf> i agree with maxi(:
<bruce2> 40ish socialpath seeks controllable passive .. sheesh
<pati> I allways thought Nedra was a bit weird...LOL....
<AuntieBJ> Elitist guy
<maxi> What kind of accent is that?
<LadyBug> I never met Nedra
<lake> Frank is English, Rigt?
<Starling> He sounds it.
<lflowers> yes
<snowwolf> sounds English to me
<mrsrick> sounds english to me
<snowwolf> jinx
<LadyBug> NZ
<Annette> LB definitely not NZ
<LadyBug> why?
<maxi> Poor Frank is trying to make sense of Yeager's theories.
<pati> who is this on the air...english accent
<LadyBug> sounds like a friend of mine
<lostword> Are The Ramseys manipulating the justice system?
<Ruthee> They can be big liars
<Starling> :-)  Maxi
<lake> Sociopathic people are SELFISH.
<mrsrick> wb leigh
<_jams> LOL- he had to tell us that was a joke. 
<maxi> sociopath=psychopath=antisocial personality disorder per DSMIV
<lizzieb> somebody ask yeager what his academic credentials are - because they are nonexistent
<LadyBug> you ask lizzie
<maxi> But he has a vet on his staff, I think.
<_jams> LOL
<snowwolf> he got his degree out of a cracker jacks box, lizzie(:
<lizzieb> i've tried to get somebody to ask him every time he's been on
<_jams> Yes, he has a vet on staff.
<LadyBug> then you ask lizzie
<AuntieBJ> Well he probably deals with a lot of animals
<lizzieb> i'm not calling in, lol
<lake> But, I understand he reads a lot.
<maxi> He transports animals.  That's their specialty.
<snowwolf> so, are all animals sociopathic?? LOL
<lostword> Does this sound like anyone we know?
<lizzieb> he always talks about being trained by the justice dept.
<lflowers> the question has been asked many times...he's never definitively answered it yet
<dvus> No, just Mr.Ed
<mrsbrady> call in and ask - 800976-9590
<lizzieb> he's never been asked specifically for his academic credentials
<snowwolf> lol, dvus
<_jams> Important thing is he has never been and will not be an expert witness in any court - he writes reports just so the police can wave a paper around and say "an expert says.... blah, blah, blah"
<lflowers> he has been,actually
<maxi> I think his training is posted on his site.
<lflowers> he will be again in a moment
<lizzieb> no, just his credentials
<AuntieBJ> Yeah sort of like a Timeline
<_jams> He has answered the question and defined his work
<lflowers> yes,he has defined his work...
<LadyBug> there is a sund-pelosso TimeLine quite similar to Jamesons TimeLine
<lake> See I told you he reads a lot.
<lizzieb> i just want him to admit that has no college degree in psychology, sociology
<lflowers> he has defined it in terms he considers relevant
<dvus>  I am my problem
<_jams> That is a sad case - hope they solve it
<AuntieBJ> There is nothing wrong with reading a lot
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<lizzieb> no BA, much less an MA or PHd
<lake> But I read a lot also.
<LadyBug> said tonight a carjack gone bad
<snowwolf> hi, abe(:
<pati> Gaven DeBecker's the man who runs the anti stalking unit at one time in LA police...has private company now to profile dangeerous people and stalker for movie stars etc.
<maxi> You can't take an existing term like sociopath and make up your own definition.
<_jams> The cops told him what they wanted linked and gave him the materials to do just that - really a bit biased  
<lizzieb> that's right, maxi, that's what i find offensive
<lizzieb> among other things
<Starling> Frank is getting into a bit a victimology.
<dvus> no maxi, that would be sociopathic
<pati> they did a great program on him at A&E
<LadyBug> sorta like statistics
<LadyBug> make it fit
<_jams> arrogance isn't confidence, IMO
<dvus> ???
<snowwolf> i agree, jams
<lake> I'll bet this guy could perform heart  operations over the telephone too
<_jams> LOLLake
<dvus> they tell ya to avoid being a victim to walk with confidence
<maxi> Walk like a man -- Four Seasons?
<lake> How much for that advice dvus?
<_jams> He didn't have to talk to Patsy or have any medical records to diagnose her...  sorry - I have no faith in his work.
<AuntieBJ> So I guess if you walk slummpy and drag your feet you won't get raped !!
<dvus> now he says thats what the bad guys look for-
<pati> well any person who has a problem with stalkers or unwanted attention should get and read the DeBecker book....
<HeyJudd> hey BJ...night
<snowwolf> nite, Judd(:
<Matilda> nite Judd
<pati> nite judd
<maxi> Douglas writes about stalkers in Obsession, too.
<maxi> night, judd
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<mrsrick> good night everyone
<AuntieBJ> He already said he didn't want to talk with her or he would be bias 
<maxi> night, mrsr.
<lflowers> night
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<Ruthee> good night mrsrick
<AuntieBJ> nite judd
<pati> night mrsr
<snowwolf> well, i guess i probably shouldn't wear my tee-shirt that says "I can kick your ass and not even smear my eyeliner" then(:
<Starling> LOL
<lizzieb> lol snow
<Matilda> lol
<Ruthee> lol
<dvus> lol snow!
<maxi> My daughter wanted that shirt.  I wouldn't let her buy it.
<_jams> LOL - like having the cops ask him to use this file and that paper to link her to 118 didn't bias him   LOL
<snowwolf> ok, maxi - I will send it to her(:
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<dvus> maxi read the book, huh?
<maxi> Snow!  I have to have some standards in what she wears.
<maxi> Which book, dvus?
<Ruthee> Well Susan you seem to really be informed  for an "outsider".
<_jams> thank you Ruth
<AuntieBJ> No Jameson, he clearly said that he wanted to turn in a report without bias and he said if he talked with her he would be bias...
<snowwolf> well, OK - my sense of humor is somewhat on the strange side sometimes - must be the sociopath in me(:
<_jams> lol
<_jams> He was hired to submit a certain biased report,IMO
<_jams> and he did what he was hired to do
<AuntieBJ> You think about everybody but Smit
<pati> well that was boring....and I'm exhaused after working all night so goonight everyone....
<maxi> The Sociopath in Me -- that could be a song.  Like Shania's The Woman in Me.
<_jams> no - Smit is not theonly honest person
<lflowers> lol
<maxi> night pati
<Ruthee> Wanted by DA....anyone who can submit a biased report on anything.
<Starling> Night Pati
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<mrsbrady> night all, gotta get some zzzzzzz's see you tomorrow
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<BayBB> Night MsB
<maxi> night, mrsb.
<snowwolf> nite, mrsb(:
<Ruthee> night mrs B
<AuntieBJ> nite mrs.b
<bruce2> well, two fatwhacker ads are my limit -- nite all...
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<LadyBug> is tomorrow Sunday?
<Ruthee> lol  night bruce
<maxi> Snow, I want a teeshirt that says I Didn't Recoginize You WIthout the Handcuffs.
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<snowwolf> yes, LB - I was thinking it was Sunday all day today
<maxi> (line from song in Rent)
<maxi> hi tam
<LadyBug> Cept for Mati AFK
<snowwolf> LOL, maxi(:
<tam> hi ya'll, did I miss anything good?
<snowwolf> Hi, Tam
<maxi> No, tam
<LadyBug> just me tam
<dvus> :)
<LadyBug> Im always good
<tam> Nice to see all of you up late too
<Matilda> Hi Tam
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<maxi> hi Just
<snowwolf> hi, Just(:
<vole> hi tam and just
<BayBB> Hi Tam and Just
<tam> hi just
<tam> My first time on chat here...tried getting the audio feed but nothin' happened
<LadyBug> ask MatAFK  she knows how
<LadyBug> or Matilda
<lake> Try again Iam
<LadyBug> snow in Denver?
<snowwolf> I would like to be, yes(:
<LadyBug> seriously snow
<LadyBug> I heard from travelers at airport
<snowwolf> i haven;t heard
<pipsqueak> yes we had snow yesterday
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<pipsqueak> all melted today
<LadyBug> yes thats what they said
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<pipsqueak> they were right
<maxi> Is that our Ruthee?
<lake> Sort of wishie washie about the motive is he not?
<lizzieb> yup, must be ruthee
<Matilda> gotta go nite everyone
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<snowwolf> sounds like her
<LadyBug> nite mati
<Ruthee> yes
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<snowwolf> wb, jams(:
<lizzieb> in psychology the terms are used interchangeably by many
<LadyBug> who is talking?
<lizzieb> yeager and ruthee
<pipsqueak> Ruthee
<lake> A sociopath according to Yeager is the kid that takes the other kids candy
<AuntieBJ> Ruthee !!!!
<Starling> He just described John boy:-)
<maxi> DSMIV combined both into antisocial personalilty disorder, but may be too broad according to many.
<LadyBug> as  a company
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<snowwolf> hi, Dim(:
<BayBB> HI Dim
<maxi> hi Dimmy
<Starling> Hi Dim
<pipsqueak> hi dimwit
<Dim> Hi Kiddies
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<lizzieb> hi dimmy
<snowwolf> hi, rroy(:
<vole> hi dim and rroy
<tam> hi dim and rroy
<maxi> hi rroy
<BayBB> Hi rroy
<Ruthee> got cut off lol
<lflowers> all of us inevitably have sociopathic tendencies inherent in our natures
<lizzieb> ruthee, ask his ACADEMIC credentials - ask if he has a college degree
<LadyBug> how to spell that???
<lflowers> but there's a difference between this and true sociopathy
<BayBB> Darn
<snowwolf> ruthee , he wanted to still talk to you.
<Annette> Hi Dim and rroy
<Ruthee> phone went dead.
<LadyBug> darn
<snowwolf> crud
<BayBB> :-(  Ruthee
<LadyBug> college ? who cares
<AuntieBJ> Call again Ruthee
<_jams> he asked why they were interested in that and they told him it would support physical evidence they had that pointed to that?
<Starling> You did good, Ruthee
<LadyBug> there is the answer
<Annette> it was good t ohear you Ruthee
<_jams> They had 5 bibles and two copies of Osteen's book?  LOL
<Ruthee> I didn't even got started
<lizzieb> glad you called, ruthee
<LadyBug> ha ha ha
<BayBB> Yes, you did good Ruthee
<AuntieBJ> Great Job Ruthee!!
<snowwolf> yeah, ruthee(:
<Ruthee> found out .....nothing.
<lake> $118,000 ransom demand is a big leap to get to a religious motive of a sociopath.
<LadyBug> agree lake
<maxi> Sociopaths aren't generally very religious people.
<lizzieb> ruthee, he's a sociopath, so he would twist everything so you'd never get a straight answer
<AuntieBJ> Somebody Fax him the note !!
<lflowers> I don't know about that,maxi...
<_jams> Lance - ask him if he really thinks any parent could be so calm to put that rather rational note together.
<Starling> The starter note had her name on it too, I don't believe that scenerio.
<lake> Don't try to grow a brain, she dies, she dies, beheading
<_jams> after killing her...
<Starling> He dictated.
<maxi> They use religion for manipulation, but they lack the conscience to be truly religious.
<AuntieBJ> Lisa, ask him if the note was written before or after the child wsas killed
<snowwolf> uh-oh, you just decribed my brother-in-law, maxi
<BayBB> Who is this caller?
<pipsqueak> right, maxi, and that's what I see w/the ramseys
<maxi> Maybe beheading is connected to John the Baptist.
<lflowers> k
<AuntieBJ> Ask both of them
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<lake> Yes.  All those techno-thriller movie pharases were subconscious for a southern belle
<maxi> I'm fascinated with psychopaths -- read everything I can get about them.
<snowwolf> no preconcieved notions he says
<LadyBug> ?
<maxi> I got interested when I was studying moral developement of children.
<lake> This is an individual who WANTS to APPEAR to be in charge.
<snowwolf> i think it is a very interesting study also, maxi
<LadyBug> I guess it is
<LadyBug> or the person very nervous ???
<maxi> I'd always assumed that the earlier handwriting was shakey because of adrenelin rush.
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<LadyBug> could be maxi
<LadyBug> sexual fantasy
<dvus> I think it's shakey because it was written in oppisite hand
<Ruthee> Why arn't they scheduled to testify that they have determined that she wrote the note....wrote it or they can't rule her out....I don't get it Mr. Yager.
<lostword> If they are both involved, they should both go down
<lflowers> yes
<_jams> Yeagar is never an expert witness and Cina was denied access to the gj because her report, according to Kane, was incomplete
<_jams> didn't discuss differences, only similarities
<AuntieBJ> Did Kane tell you that when you talked to him on the phone?
<Starling> It's because John was involved in the note on various levels.
<LadyBug> thanks _jams clears that up
<LadyBug> oh rats! O.J> again
<maxi> Wouldn't Cina have been denied because she wasn't working with the original note?
<lake> Kane says Wang cannot know because she did not address ALL the differences between the ransom note writing and Patsy writing.
<_jams> BJ - I don't repeat conversations I have with people without their permission - ask him.  :)
<Starling> Why do you think Hunter brought in the Secret Service?
<Ruthee> No way is 40% of the population socipathic!!!!
<AuntieBJ> Right
<Dim> And why were YOU denied access to the GJ, Sue?
<lizzieb> of course not, ruthee
<_jams> Who says I was, Dim.  I am not discussing it t this point.  :)
<Ruthee> Oh no Shapiro....Geez.....help me Jesus.
<snowwolf> ruthee, the way he talks, I think he actually believes its higher than that.
<_jams> Shapiro got him - ohmygod - a TABLOID EXPERT
<Dim> LOL... You are pathetic, Sue.
<Ruthee> My God.....and you also sound very nervous mr. Yager.
<pipsqueak> He sounds aranoid, himself
<Ruthee> Susan......no nasty talk.
<lake> And 4 of the top handwrting experts in the country say that it is highly unlikely that Patsy or John Ramsey wrote the note.
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<Starling> This guy thinks everyone should be disciplined because he is into Karatee - it's his own little quirk.Lol
<snowwolf> wb, tam(:
<LadyBug> back to the young man in the dark overcoat light scarf
<_jams> Right - I wonder if Cina got a FAX like that Darnay sent to Miller
<tam> thanks, I can hear this now, switched from IE to netscape
<snowwolf> now, star, don't be knockin karate - LOL
<Ruthee> He said they did figure it out....Boys and Girls?????? Who is this guy?????? No wonder I got cut off.
<Starling> You don't call us all names, snow.Lol
<snowwolf> (:
<maxi> My pop psych diagnosis is that he has a problem with controlling women.
<_jams> He dealt with Gosage and thomas....
<Starling> I think he is just stuck on the discipline aspect of it - and that is why he is saying 40 percent.
<lake> Do you have a source for that Yeager?
<_jams> good solid evidence that has yet to lead to a case - they are pushing air around in that gj
<snowwolf> brb
<_jams> good grief - the cops KNEW they didn't have a case - they necver asked Hunter to indict
<Ruthee> I have to see this web page.  Just exactly what is Mr. Yager's title?
<_jams> spin, spin
<_jams> www.seraph.com  I think
<Ruthee> thanks
<rroy> sorry lake, Cina is one of the top in the country. Check her incredable resume on the net.
<maxi> She may be tops in handwriting comparison, but she doesn't know her criminologists very well if she's so impressed with Yeager.
<lake> Well she should ask the other 4 top experts what the problem is then, rroy
<_jams> Someother hanwriting experts don't think as highly of Cina as Cina does.  E-mail some of the other handwrwiting experts you can finsd on the net - you will get very mixed reviews of her credentials
<lake> And no need to be sorry rroy
<_jams> I think the FAX Darnay sent to Miller says it all
<AuntieBJ> Maxi, she seemed to be impressed with Yeager because of they both analysis handwriting in different directions
<pipsqueak> it's like any specialty field, Jams - different methods and theories
<_jams> But the fact that there were so many handwriting experts involved and they disagree weakens ANY testimony...
<pipsqueak> most seem to agree about who can't be ruled out
<AuntieBJ> It is better to have a variety
<maxi> This case can't just stand or fall on identification of disguised handwriting.  They must  have more.
<_jams> most people can't be CONCLUSIVELY  ruled out.
<AuntieBJ> Oh I am sure they do...
<lizzieb> ruthee, yeager's site is at http://www.seraph.net/
<lake> Can you imagine having a debate by experts of fingerprint matches?  Who the heck could a jury believe?
<Starling> Lot's more, Maxi :-)
<lizzieb> http://www.seraph.net/dale_bio.html
<pipsqueak> most people CAN be conclusively ruled out...One person can't be CONCLUSIVELY ruled out
<maxi> jams, do you know if Patsy ever did calligraphy?
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<_jams> very hard to disguise handwriting - remember all the experts telling us that 2 years ago?  The older you are the harder it is.  The longer the note, the harder it is
<lflowers> who says the handwriting was disguised?
<_jams> Don't know maxi but I didn't see any fancy work in that note.
<AuntieBJ> His pic is there too !!
<maxi> Ligatures have been added and other little calligraphic features.
<_jams> Lisa - the experts have all said it seemed they started out trying to disguise it - by end it is probably close to his own writing
<Ruthee> Thanks for the site everyone
<_jams> McCrary was pro?
<Ruthee> and they left Susan in?????
<lflowers> I was speaking figuratively:)
<_jams> No - the Osborns addressed the handwwriting
<maxi> I know there was a Montessori program associated with JonBenet's school.  Did Burke or JonBenet attend it?
<pipsqueak> It was very pro ram biased, IMO
<AuntieBJ> repeat that
<AuntieBJ> yes
<_jams> The attorneys were not involved.
<lostword> The mainstream media is very Pro Ram
<_jams> What network is Ramsey friendly??
<pipsqueak> right, jams, I know thay's your opinion
<pipsqueak> the 48 hours show was
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<Starling> Url, please for Cina.
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<lake> Ask Ms. Wong about the Rainbow Fish Player photo caption that she thinks Patsy Ramey wrote.
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<snowwolf> wb, annette(:
<BayBB> HI Annette
<lflowers> OK,lake
<Annette> Hi again
<maxi> wb annette
<maxi> there ya go, jams
<Ruthee> Who couod that be???
<pipsqueak> you go girl, cina!
<_jams> Yes, Foster certainly has staked his professional reputation on this
<AuntieBJ> And so did you 
<pipsqueak> Foster has ruined his reputation on this
<LadyBug> ?
<Ruthee> what profession.....bread baker?
<_jams> I have no "professional " reputation - but I assure you the producers at CBS looked at the documentation and verified it all
<maxi> It still makes no sense to me.  Foster couldn't compare what he didn't have.
<lake> I think she is probably a very attractive lady..
<AuntieBJ> Reputation Ruthee, reputation
<lostword> The public doesn't have the facts in this case.
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<snowwolf> wb, Just
<Dim> Exactly Maxi.
<_jams> maxi - he indicated that he did have it.  It WAS out there - some people did have it
<lostword> Boulder has kept it hidden from the public.
<AuntieBJ> Garbage in, garbage out.... what was in the E-mail that were written to Foster by Jameson
<dvus> ???
<maxi> Who would have given it to him, jams?
<LadyBug> what is she telling?
<lflowers> her history...
<LadyBug> good grief!
<dvus> darn sociopaths!
<lflowers> the events that were the catalyst for her career
<lflowers> a sordid little incident at boarding school
<_jams> I only know what he wrote - he didn't say who gave it to him, just that he would be writing about a "close reaading" of the ransom note.
<dvus> oic now
<maxi> "would be" may be the salient phrase there, jams.  I think he wanted access to it.
<dvus> (G)
<_jams> He said he could have the report on their desk Monday - and he wasn't writing the FAX to anyone who would have the note - 
<Starling> Night everyone
<maxi> night, star.
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<dvus> hehe
<AuntieBJ> nite star
<lflowers> http://www.sunnyday.com/wrow/cinawong.html
<_jams> Well, Cina and Colfax both feel Foster is out of it.  
<AuntieBJ> opps
<maxi> Jams, this was the point at which he said he could prove Patsy didn't write it?
<_jams> Had to laugh at Colfax saying that.
<_jams> yes, maxi
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<maxi> Did he have samples of Patsy's text?
<AuntieBJ> That URL is not good Lisa
<lflowers> hold on...
<lflowers> http://www.sunnyday.com/wrow/cinawong.html
<lflowers> wait a minute...brb
<Dim> Jams... Answer maxi'x question.
<_jams> The FAX was dated 6/10 and the letter to Patsy about a week later.
<maxi> But did he have text written by Patsy to compare to the ransom letter at that time?
<pipsqueak> nope. wrong URL
<LadyBug> why wouldn't he her samples were everywhere
<Dim> Foster couldn't hat done his type of analysis without reams of Patsy's text, Jams.
<AuntieBJ> It is not working Lisa !!
<_jams> Exactly - he did it wrong, didn't he?
<lflowers> he's on the phone with her now...
<_jams> But he had reams of mine
<maxi> He had reams of yours jams, but not of John Andrew's.  So he had nothing to compare yours to.
<Dim> But, Jams... he had NONE of JAR's writings!
<snowwolf> but just from the internet, right, jameson - not hand-written?
<lflowers> retrieving the correct URL,presumably
<LadyBug> style
<lostword> The web page doesn't open
<AuntieBJ> The correct URL: http://www.sunnyday.com/wrow/cinawong/cinawong.html
<_jams> Well, the point is this man says he can take anonymous letters and tell the age, gender, politics, religion.... and he can not
<maxi> It sounds to me like he was playing jr. detective, over-reaching his own area of expertise, but it doesn't go to his ability within his area of expertise.
<AuntieBJ> Lisa, tell DAve is giving out wrong URL
<dvus> his crystal ball broke?
<pipsqueak> thanks BJ
<lflowers> they know...I just told them
<lake> Not if there is another person that Wong has not seen the writing that also writes like Patsy.
<_jams> read the Foster page - he is NOT impressive - and others are discrediting him ...
<AuntieBJ> http://www.sunnyday.com/wrow/cinawong/cinawong.html
<maxi> Jams, do you mean the Foster page you wrote?
<pipsqueak> Jams, who thinks Foster is credible, at this point?  What is YOUR point?
<_jams> All Foster can do is say, out of these five, or ten, papers, this matches best.  
<_jams> Most of the Foster page is quotes from others, much from Foster himself
<maxi> Of course.  He's not working with a hard science.
<LadyBug> URL  okay now
<pipsqueak> Foster is not the only one pointing at PR
<_jams> I don't know who thinks he is credible now.  I know I don't
<lizzieb> from what I've heard, Foster won't be testifying at a trial because of problems with the warrants plus the fact that linguistic analysis is not recognized by courts, so what difference does it make?
<pipsqueak> right, Liz, thanks, that makes my point - why blow smoke discrediting Foster, there are many others who think Pats wrote the note
<lizzieb> if he testifies in a trial, then make a federal case about it -- but otherwise, who cares?
<dvus> What about Steve T?
<_jams> Well, read Schiller's book - he could be used in the gj to get an indictment - and Carol McKinley said her police sources told her the case hinged on Foster.  You tell ME what difference he made...
<maxi> Listen carefully -- Dale explains why he doesn't need real qualifications to make psychiatric analyses.
<lake> Right maxie
<lizzieb> well if the prosecution is foolish enough to base the entire indictment on something it can't use at trial, then the R's will get off and the prosecution will look foolish
<snowwolf> right, lizzie
<pipsqueak> I think that's obsolete news, Jams
<Dim> What is interesting is that the  ignores the handwriting analysts who have legal status, and are trying to discredit them by discrediting someone (Foster) who enjoys absolutely NO Legal status.  Talk about diversionary!
<maxi> I think the prosecution will have to have testimony that goes to predisposition on the part of the Ramseys.
<pipsqueak> I agree Liz - and double jeopardy concerns me
<_jams> Kane is interested in getting an indictment - he is ot concerned beyond that.
<lizzieb> you don't know that, jams
<LadyBug> I know mine has changed
<pipsqueak> that's his job, jams
<lizzieb> anyway, kane is not making the ultimate decision, hunter is
<maxi> Kane wouldn't be very popular if he went around getting indictments that couldn't be successfully prosecuted.
<_jams> right - that's his job - a job he does well at
<lizzieb> right maxi
<AuntieBJ> Hey you need to check out the web site  
<_jams> when you first look at it it doesn't look like Patsy's handwriting - she said that??
<Dim> Jams... If that's all he wanted Kane would have allowed Wong to testify.  You can't have it both ways, Sue.
<dvus> yep
<snowwolf> yes, she did
<lflowers> I disagree with that
<lizzieb> good point, dim
<BayBB> Lisa, why did you ban Matilda?
<lflowers> what?
<lflowers> I haven't banned anybody
<lizzieb> and why did they let smit testify?
<LadyBug> no she said goodnight
<BayBB> You are banned from this server
<BayBB> <Matilda1> -
<BayBB> <Matilda1> Closing Link: Matilda1[yoohoo@XXXXX.ts-02.gold.net.au] 
<LadyBug> she said she was leaving
<pipsqueak> no, she didn't say she was leaving
<LadyBug> Matilda  said she was leaving
<BayBB> Mati says she can't get in and gets a message that she was banned
<LadyBug> oh sorry I said bye I think
<LadyBug> its her server
<lflowers> I would have no reason whatsoever to ban her
<pipsqueak> mati didn't leave voluntarily
<snowwolf> she said she had to go for a bit
<LadyBug> it happened to her before
<snowwolf> yes, she did, pip(:
<LadyBug> thats what I thought snow
<_jams> Kane didn't let Cina in< imo because her report was incomplete and because MORE "handwriting experts" wouldn't help if they disagreed.
<BayBB> Wel, she can't get in and she gets a message saying that she was banned
<AuntieBJ> Did Kane tell yuou that Jameson?
<LadyBug> she has problems sometimes with server
<pipsqueak> snow, I'm chatting with her now, she didn't
<LadyBug> ok
<lflowers> her server is temperamental sometimes
<LadyBug> It said on screen she was leaving
<LadyBug> so I said bye
<pipsqueak> but SHE didn't say it!
<maxi> I must get up in the morning.  Someone tell me tomorrow if anything good happens.
<snowwolf> hmm, i read a post that said, gotta bo, bye and she left real quick(:
<BayBB> LB, she did leave but now she can't get back
<lflowers> goodnight
<tam> nite maxi
<LadyBug> Iflowers pull her in???
<maxi> Goodnight, all.  Nice chatting with you.
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<BayBB> Night Maxi
<LadyBug> night maxi
<dvus> nite maxi
<pipsqueak> her whole domain is banned
<BayBB> <Matilda1> I wrote to the webmaster and he said everyone from the domain of .au was banned
<LadyBug> yes that has happened before  BayBB
<snowwolf> that's what happened one other time, pip
<_jams> BJ - it is in the Hoffman files - haven't you read them?  
<Dim> Jams... answer the questions.  If Kane just wanted the Rams indicted, he would NOT have allowed Smit to testify... and he WOULD have allowed Wong and Hoffman testify.
<lizzieb> mati can come in through the java page
<_jams> Who says Kane wanted Smit to testify.  The jurors may have insisted that they hear from him
<AuntieBJ> No I have not read them all
<LadyBug> okay  tell her BayBB
<lake> Well, I see you saved Cina some embarassment by not asking her about the RFP photo caption, Lisa.
<BayBB> She is told now, LB
<LadyBug> thanks
<_jams> BJ - In those Kane explains that Cina's work was not acceptable because it didn't discuss the differences
<snowwolf> I wanted to know who wrote that also, lake
<lflowers> on the contrary,lake,the question was taken into the studio some time ago
<AuntieBJ> I really think the jurors are in control more than people are giving them credit for
<lake> OK, Lisa
<_jams> I just looked at Cina's samples - the y's are totally different as are the m's - 
<pipsqueak> Is that fom your trained perspective, Jams?
<pipsqueak> I'm sure they looked different to Patsy, too!
<_jams> She just points out that the R has an overhang - VERY common - and that the s and e link.  I am not impressed.
<Dim> G'nite Maxi
<lizzieb> well gee, i'm surprised at your interpretation, jams
<Dim> G'nite Maxi
<dvus> hey, they just said you don't need to be expert
<_jams> I am sure you are
<pipsqueak> I'm not
<_jams> seems that 4 experts with impeccible credentials agree with me though  LOL
<BayBB> LOL
<pipsqueak> and countless others disagree with you LOL
<AuntieBJ> YOur buds?
<LadyBug> depends on who is IMPORTANT
<LadyBug> and who is NOT
<_jams> Well, they made a big mistake by shopping for experts - hjust hire one and deal with it - otherwise the conflicting reports confuse the issue
<AuntieBJ> Regardless of whose handwriting expert opinion is submitted it is still up the GJ to decide
<lake> Well, if Yeager can peg Patsy as a sociopath "from a distance", a suspose it is ok that Cina pegs Patsy as the writer of the note with substandard work
<pipsqueak> ..and ultimately, a  trial jury
<_jams> Anyone else wondering where Barry Scheck is?  I think Kane couldn't convince him to ignore the DNA evidence
<LadyBug> too bad for all the TABS
<AuntieBJ> Jameson, don't you shop for variety of prices when you do a major purchase?
<LadyBug> I always wonder where he is
<rroy> lake, exactly how long have you been an expert on experts?
<lake> Rainbow Fish Players
<_jams> proices is one thing - desired results is something else.
<lake> About 10 years now.
<pipsqueak> Frankly, we need to remember the caliber of guest likely to be a "star" on a small town night radio talk show
<AuntieBJ> But wouldn't you get more than on opinion on something major in your life?
<_jams> No, that isn't fair, pip - Schiller and others are being nice to come on
<pipsqueak> I haven't really been terribly impressed with "experts" who are spilling their guts outside of the courtroom
<AuntieBJ> Would you want to be convicted on just one handwriting experts opinion?
<pipsqueak> I mean the experts, Jams
<pipsqueak> It harms their credibility to seek publicity
<lake> I'm just stating opinions, not trying to put someone in jail. rroy.
<_jams> The real experts aren't seeking publicity
<dvus> oic- you just need to change it!
<_jams> the y's are different - she doesn't say anything about that
<pipsqueak> and frankly, even Schiller has exploited the case for his own gain.
<_jams> yes - he is making a lot of money
<LadyBug> They all have exploited
<AuntieBJ> Right, only the people pretending to be experts are seeking publicity
<lflowers> yes...a number of people have
<pipsqueak> Posters and "internet personalities" have exploited the case to steal their undeserved share of the spotlight
<_jams> Hard to disguise for 2 1/2 pages...
<_jams> LOL
<pipsqueak> and all of them / you should be ashamed
<_jams> I came forward because I was not going to let Foster do what he planned - I have NOTHING to be ashamed of
<pipsqueak> It's one thing to follow a case, another thing to submerge one's self and cloud the issues
<LadyBug> NO not you _jams you told the truth
<lake> I am going to kick Lance's butt if he does not ask that Rainbow Fish Players question, Lisa.
<pipsqueak> You came forward long before Foster was the issue
<_jams> If you feel I got too much of the spotlight, that is your problem.
<AuntieBJ> But what did you write to him in your correspondance Jameson to make him think you were JAR? 
<pipsqueak> no, I feel the spotlight shouldn't be off JonBenet
<pipsqueak> That's where I keep it
<LadyBug> They read the TimeLine and the forums
<lflowers> this case has amassed a cult following
<_jams> I didn't go on LEEZA with the others, wasn't speaking on the radio - nothing until I decided to talk about Foster
<pipsqueak> I didn't go on Leeza, either -
<_jams> BJ - you will have to ask him - I have no idea...
<_jams> were you invited Pip?
<pipsqueak> You were on the radio before the Foster issue came up, Jams
<_jams> I went on the radio in December - after I taped for 48 Hours
<pipsqueak> Why would I be, Jams?  I haven't put myself out there
<AuntieBJ> Yes Jameson YOu wre on radio 6 times before the 48 hr show
<pipsqueak> but you talked about other stuff, jams
<pipsqueak> I don't claim to have any inside info..just opinions
<_jams> Oh - well, I was called because I have the TimeLine - again, I feel it is important to document everything - I do what I want - if you don't like it, tough.
<AuntieBJ> Jameson you taped the 48 hours in March too, who are you kidding
<lflowers> I do believe that Jam's intentions were sincere,and not rooted in ambition in the cheap sense
<pipsqueak> and I see a lot of people seeking their 15 minutes of fame by exploiting the death of a young child
<_jams> Yes, we taped in December in Boulder and in March at my home
<AuntieBJ> Well then don't just say you only did it in December before you ever went on radio
<tam> Goodnight everyone.
<LadyBug> Good point _jams add that bit to the TimeLine?
<pipsqueak> I understand you believe that, lisa - I'm just saying that there has been a loss of perspective about what is important here
<Dim> Has Tyzano been here tonight?  ...just Curious
<lflowers> night
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<snowwolf> nite, tam(:
<_jams> I went on the radio in december after I made the decision to "go public"  - I make no apology - about time someone spoke out against the lynch mob
<_jams> BJ - where did I say that??
<AuntieBJ> YOu have to throw in that lynch mob don't you.  Are you in the RST
<pipsqueak> Lynch mob?  I haven't seen one
<_jams> yes, I guess I can accept that RST  tag
<LadyBug> Has Curious been here tonight....just curious?
<pipsqueak> I've seen careful consideration of facts and available information
<AuntieBJ> I didn't go on LEEZA with the others, wasn't speaking on the radio - nothing until I decided to talk about Foster
<pipsqueak> wanna comment, Dim?
<AuntieBJ> That is what you said Jameson
<pipsqueak> see above
<AuntieBJ> You said NOTHING till I decided to talk about Foster
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<lostword> Sounds like Alex is throwing the case.
<snowwolf> hi, August(:
<lflowers> hi,August
<AuntieBJ> I am saying you were on the radio 6 times between the two tapings
<LadyBug> Is this a jury room?
<vole> hi august
<LadyBug> hi August
<_jams> I went on the radio in December - after I taped for 48 Hours - and that it true - once I made the decision to come out - well, I decided why not talk about other things - 
<AuntieBJ> I could be
<pipsqueak> hi august
<August> hi everyone
<lake> The FBI and CIA were inconclusive results.
<_jams> I determined that I would talk about Foster in October.
<BayBB> Hi Ausust
<_jams> Hi August
<AuntieBJ> Then why did you request to see the Grand Jury
<August> hi, sorry to be so late
<AuntieBJ> Do you see my point
<lizzieb> hi august
<LadyBug> So NOT to go public
<AuntieBJ> You were going to rat on Foster months before you were going to go tell the same information to the grand jury
<_jams> My discussions with the DA's office are notpublic and I feel no need to explain it to you
<Dim> next week, Pip
<pipsqueak> :-) Dim
<lake> Look, Hoffman.  Hunter has 3 other DA's advising him.
<BayBB> Right BJ
<_jams> Remember, Foster went in last JUNE andplayed a big part then - don't assume things you don't know about
<pipsqueak> Jams, you seem to be obsessed with foster
<_jams> sure pip - 
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<AuntieBJ> But you can't have it both ways
<_jams> a bit for the moment
<lake> How would the lawyers know if they don't know what all the evidence is.
<_jams> apparently I can, BJ
<AuntieBJ> You can go public and rat on somebody then pretend that you were going to tell that to the grand jury
<lostword> Folks:  Keep in mind Sewer's job is to throw the discussion off case.
<AuntieBJ> Well apparently you did 
<_jams> There is more tot he story BJ - 
<_jams> OK?
<AuntieBJ> It makes one wonder what your intentions really were all along
<lake> Get real Hoffman.  Isn't every DA elected?
<_jams> wonder away...
<_jams> CBS and Boulder know
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<pipsqueak> I assume there is ALWAYS more t the story, and I don't need to know your secrets, Jams...but there is still a conflict of interest when one courts the media with biased motives
<lake> So now Kane is on the take too?
<pipsqueak> ...just don't claim it is truth when it is spin
<lake> Hunter, Kane, Grant, Ritter, etc are all corrupt according the Hoffman?
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<_jams> I have no biased motive - I want a fair presentation
<snowwolf> wb, Dim(:
<pipsqueak> LOL Jams
<lizzieb> lol
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<Dim> I was getting a 2 minute lag in my typing and it's appearance ...
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<AuntieBJ> Jameson you pretended to want to go to the grand jury to tell them some valuable information in the case when all along your intentions were to go on CBS and rat on Foster and that was what you said you were going to the Grand Jury with.  That is the bottom line  
<snowwolf> i thought it seemed like you were lagging
<Dim> You should write Jay Leno's monologue, Jams... You are tooooo  funny.
<_jams> Not exactly, BJ, but you can believe what you will. 
<_jams> pretended to want to go to the gj?
<_jams> LOL
<AuntieBJ> What else can I believe Jameson.  You did it
<lostword> Dysfunctional personality?
<AuntieBJ> YEs pretend.. how can you got to a grand jury with information you went public with?
<pipsqueak> jams, if what you had to say was critical to the case, you would be helping the DA by releasing it through the media
<snowwolf> lisa, did y'all get the package I sent?
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<snowwolf> wb, August(:
<BayBB> wb August
<August> back, i hope
<_jams> Lisa - have Lance call, please
<AuntieBJ> If Kane were to call you tomorrow Jameson, what are you going to say that you already ratted on Foster in public on CBS so you don't need to go to the grand jury now?
<_jams> I have plenty to say.
<_jams> but not here, not to you.
<pipsqueak> and you want to be sure you say it on the air, jams?
<lflowers> sorry..I was away from the computer.Yes,Snow,we did...thank you:)
<_jams> Kane knows what it is - he doesn't want it said
<AuntieBJ> Oh excuse me
<Dim> Tell them about your rape hoax, Sue.
<AuntieBJ> Need Lance to protect you Jameson
<snowwolf> good, just wanted to make sure(:  welcome(:
<_jams> I was not involved in any rape hoax, and I don't think the gj is interested in the flamers internet antics
<dvus> jeez folks
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<snowwolf> hi, phantom(:
<BayBB> Hi P2
<phantom> hi snow, Bay.
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<lflowers> Hailey loved it...it's her new favorite companion
<_jams> LOL- how would Lance be protectingme?   You guys have wild imaginations
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<snowwolf> oh good, I'm sooo glad(:
<lizzieb> hi p2
<Dim> Your credibility WOULD be at issue if you appeared before the GJ, Sue.  You are a laughingstock.
<pipsqueak> hi P2
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<phantom> Hi Liz. Guess I missed so much Ramsey bashing?  :-)
<_jams> flame on Dim
<phantom> hi ya pip.
<phantom> Hi everyone.
<pipsqueak> :-)
<AuntieBJ> He protects you everytime you go on the radio, who are you kidding?  
<phantom> brb,thisty
<Dim> Think about it, Sue.  You would be exposed for all of your lies.
<_jams> lol
<Dim> I'd LOVE to have you go before the GJ, Sue.
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<LadyBug> Am I having a BNF nightmare???
<dvus> lol
<Dim> ... you'd probably be led away in a straight jacket.
<lflowers> how could Lance effectively "continue" to "protect" Jameson after she's appeared on national television,Dim? The enigma has been exposed
<_jams> My credibility is fine - 
<dvus> nope LB...*pinch*
<pipsqueak> It would help the prosecution case, actually - "Isn't that the woman from 48 hours"?
<lflowers> what is there left to "protect?"
<Dim> I have said a word about Lance, Lisa.
<LadyBug> I had to get mail come back here ...this is WILD
<Dim> haven't
<AuntieBJ> Lisa, whether 48 hrs or Dave Lucas show, there is nobody ALLOWED to go on debate with Jameson
<lflowers> sorry...I meant auntie
<pipsqueak> things will be unfolded?
<lflowers> apologies,Dim
<Dim> accepted
<phantom> Is this Jan?
<AuntieBJ> Deny that Lisa
<LadyBug> copies
<lflowers> it's not Lance's decision,auntie;nor has it ever been
<_jams> Every guest on this show is allowed to decide for themselves if they want to talk to another guest or take calls - no one gets treated better than any other.
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<lflowers> Jameson alone chooses who she will confront and who she wont
<pipsqueak> It seems to be a condition of appearance
<snowwolf> hang on, August(:
<Dim> Then who IS protecting Sue, Lisa?
<_jams> ALL guests get the same
<pipsqueak> right Lisa, that is what I meant
<August> onemore time
<AuntieBJ> But she is a
<_jams> Coffman wouldn't accept certain calls too
<pipsqueak> Sue is protecting herself, Dim
<pipsqueak> she has the control
<AuntieBJ> But she is ALLOWED to go on the air and call people LYNCH MOBS but nobody is ALLOW#EED to say anything aobut her
<_jams> You too can call and have the same choice
<lflowers> you took the words right out of my mouth,pipsqueak...
<LadyBug> why would _jams need someone to protect her she does ok alone
<pipsqueak> right BJ, and THAT is a "fair presentation" LOL
<lizzieb> she must be a sociopath
<pipsqueak> :-) Lisa
<pipsqueak> grow a brain, LB
<AuntieBJ> Why wouldn't Jameson allow a honest debate with somebody on the radio show?
<LadyBug> you need it pip
<_jams> The Ramseys have the handwwriting experts that said she didn't write it - The Ramseys are not putting out any info.
<pipsqueak> profound, LB.
<AuntieBJ> No, your doing it for them
<LadyBug> uh huh  just as you are
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<pipsqueak> I know I am and so are you nyaaa nyaaa
<_jams> an honest debate is one thing - I have no interest in debating with the forum flamers - waste of time and energy
<LadyBug> haha
<AuntieBJ> I agree with you...
<pipsqueak> Jams, I'm not a forum flamer
<AuntieBJ> I am talking about an honest debate... is there such a thing for you?
<lflowers> again,it is Jameson's decision to confront whom she wants to confront.Clearly she has her own reasons for denying specific individuals access
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<BayBB> LOL Clearly she does, Lisa
<pipsqueak> It is hard with LB squeaking in the background and defending you, jams
<LadyBug> same for all right Iflowers?
<LadyBug> you have the squeak pip
<Dim> Lisa... are you telling me that I would be allowed to counter any statement Jams might make if I called in?
<dvus> lol
<pipsqueak> Just curious, Lisa, do many guests refuse to be confronted by those who disagree?
<lake> So are you saying that handwriting anslysis is sooo subjective, Hoffman.
<lflowers> no
<lflowers> not usually
<AuntieBJ> Good question Dim....I say no
<AuntieBJ> Why not, Jameson is ALLOWED to go on the air and call Mrs. BRady the Lynch MOB
<AuntieBJ> She has do it on a couple occasions
<lflowers> when Jameson is off the air,Dim,it is a different story
<pipsqueak> it would seem the spirit of talk radio is to inspire intelligent debate, but when there's no room for debate...that's propoganda
<AuntieBJ> Lisa, she did it on the air !!! 
<lflowers> provided you respect basic standards of decency,yes...
<Dim> We'll see, Lisa.
<lflowers> your opinion would be welcomed
<snowwolf> nite, everyone - take care(:
<lflowers> night
<BayBB> Night Snow
<phantom> night snow
<Dim> nite snow
<LadyBug> nite snow
<AuntieBJ> Look what happen with Dminor gave her opinion...all hell broke loose !!
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<lflowers> in my opinion,Dminor was entirely out of line
<dvus> G- look for more evidence
<_jams> Dminor was slandering me - the radio station needs to be careful...
<AuntieBJ> How do you figure, she called in and gave hr pov
<lflowers> she was far less interested in intelligent debate than she was in blatant verbal abuse
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<AuntieBJ> So Jameson is ALLOWED to go on the air and call others the lynch mob and that is okay?
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<Dim> That's the problem, Lisa.  It is YOUR decision.  Jams can call people a lynch mob, but Jams can't be held to her own words.
<_jams> Lisa - brb - getting tea  :)
<AuntieBJ> Ditto Dim
<lflowers> with all due respect,dim,you are mistaken
<_jams> And anyone can call me RST - but to slander me is different and that is what she was doing
<AuntieBJ> What did she say to slander you?
<LadyBug> please dont repeat
<lflowers> Dminor was not composed,nor was she in any way objective
<Dim> Try THIS example, Lisa.  Would I be allowed to call in and state my own opinion about Jameson's Timeline after Lance promotes the Timeline on air?
<lflowers> had she been,the situation would have been handled differently
<AuntieBJ> Excuse me Lisa, she was composed
<AuntieBJ> That is bullcrap
<Dim> I agree, BJ
<lizzieb> i thought she was composed, and i thought she was quite objective about what happened
<lflowers> Dim:yes
<lake> The CBI analysis was a 3 on a scale of 10.  Chuck Green reported that.
<lflowers> provided...again..that you respect standards of basic common decency
<AuntieBJ> She was very composed...maybe nobody including Jameson liked what she said but she was composed
<LadyBug> 3 is a long way from 10
<lflowers> that's all that is necessary
<Dim> YOUR standards, LISA!
<dvus> bet they had more than just handwriting though
<lizzieb> she gave an accurate account of what happened at that time
<phantom> Has someone numbered at the 51 simalairities and what they are?
<AuntieBJ> Oh excuse Lisa....Mrs.Brady OPENS the Dave Lucas show Every single time....now you tell me that the woman who opesn your show that Jameson can go on the air and call her the LYNCY mob more than one time !!! 
<lflowers> and I think ,Dim, that you have the verbal skill to voice your opinion without being blatantly abusive
<_jams> no, she didn't - I have always been jameson - she said there had been more than one...
<Dim> The same standards which allow you to accept Jam's lynch mod, etc... and you kick Dminor off.
<LadyBug> hi phantom must have missed you   ...invisible again
<phantom> Hi ya LB.
<LadyBug> or is it my eyes?
<AuntieBJ> How come Mrs.Brady opens the Dave Lucas show and Jameson is allowed to go on the air and call her the lynch mob??
<phantom> I'm very sneaky. :-)
<lflowers> why don't you try calling in,Dim
<LadyBug> u r  4 sure
<lizzieb> well other people have perceived your personality as changing dramatically from time to time, jams - a lot of people think that
<lizzieb> i'm not one of them, but that was her opinion
<_jams> I am not attacking her personally - she admits her site is BORG
<phantom> :-)
<AuntieBJ> Can you answer that questions Lisa ?
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<_jams> I think I just did
<lflowers> you must understand,auntie,that I am not personally involved in the production of these shows.
<AuntieBJ> I repeat, How come Mrs.Brady opens the Dave Lucas show every single time and Jameson is ALLOWED to go on the air and call her the LYnch Mob?
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<AuntieBJ> Then you ask Dave Lucas that quesetion
<AuntieBJ> Please
<lflowers> at this point I am speaking for Lance and Dave,which perhaps is not altogether a good idea
<lflowers> but...
<AuntieBJ> But..
<LadyBug> why dont the other person ask?
<lflowers> yes,I will ask Lance to address your question tonight
<_jams> Lisa - remember, the show was to talk about sites, the rule was no personal attacks on posters
<lflowers> yes,I know,jams
<AuntieBJ> If somebody came on the air and started talking about Jameson being the RST, I bet Lance will not allow them to talk 
<AuntieBJ> Which show was that
<_jams> My site has been described as RST and hers as BORG - I think they are innocent and she doesn't - nothing personal about that
<Dim> That was NOT a stated rule, Jams... and besides, YOU violated the rule yourself.
<_jams> Lance clearly stated that.
<AuntieBJ> Well you could fool me Jameson on the way you call Mrs. BRady the Lynch Mob 
<_jams> That the show is not to be confrontational - not Jerry Springer.
<Dim> That's a far cry from a lynch mod, Sue
<lflowers> you know something? This issue truly does need to be addressed,forthwith.
<AuntieBJ> He describes them as pro and anti not BORG./.  I have never heard Lance call MRsl. BRady's site BORG
<lflowers> there are many misconceptions here
<AuntieBJ> Then how come when she came on the air tonight Lance didn't introduce her as the BORG site?
<_jams> No, he never criticizes her - he is BORG himself  :)
<lake> Jameson.  Be quiet and let those fools make FOOLS of themselves.  You sould read the crap you three are writing.
<AuntieBJ> You can paint it any color you want but Jameson is allowed to say whatever she want 
<dvus> Brady has 100% Borg and proud on her site
<_jams> yes
<LadyBug> Listen
<Dim> That is NOT LYNCH MOB!!!
<AuntieBJ> Right Dim
<phantom> They still are just opinions.
<AuntieBJ> I am not the Lynch Mob nor am I the BORB
<AuntieBJ> BORG
<Dim> Nor am I
<_jams> Jan acts like she is soooo "inside"  lol
<AuntieBJ> And I am getting sick and tired of Jameson being allowed to go on the air and call people what she wants and nobody is allowed to say it about her
<_jams> sorry - not nice
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<AuntieBJ> So do you
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<LadyBug> jo Gia[p
<LadyBug> hey cant spell  hi Guapo
<phantom> Creative writing, LB!
<August>  hello Guapo and rr
<phantom> :-)
<dvus> sheesh- I keep loosing sound
<LadyBug> yes phantom together with needing Zzzzz
<phantom> me too..
* Guapo Hi how you doing?
<LadyBug> great guapo
<lflowers> Ok,Dim; auntie...I just spoke to Lance
<LadyBug> With a cap on the G
<August> ok, lisa, what did he say
<lflowers> you are welcome to call in tonight and voice your opinion:1-800-WROW 590
<dvus> yepper siree
* Guapo You from New York
<AuntieBJ> Lance knows I can't call in...he knows I only have one line
<lake> They don't want you to know that Burke killed his sister Hoffman.
<LadyBug> I dont think anyone from NY
<phantom> They destroyed one of the notes????
<lflowers> what about you,Dim?
<dvus> hang up and call in-
<AuntieBJ> I am recording the show dvus !!! I record the show for Lance
* Guapo Dave Lucas is brother-in-law
<LadyBug> take that back a few are
<dvus> o-o
<LadyBug> Guapo ....might be a few in chat too
<August> you guys are up very late, midnite here
<_jams> 3 here
<LadyBug> straight up August
<BayBB> 2:00am here
<phantom> 12 here
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<LadyBug> phantom?
<LadyBug> the invisible has my time
<dvus> are you sure jams (about the time?) hehe
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<August> where phantom
<phantom> LB, you lost me.
<LadyBug> near you
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<phantom> california
<_jams> oh yeah - um maybe it is 1 here now  lol
<LadyBug> no...phantom you are always there
<dvus> *grin*
<phantom> oh yea.....
<August> phantom n or s?
<LadyBug> s
<LadyBug> ?
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<phantom> coast
<LadyBug> where the air is clean
<phantom> more of the middle
<August> Carmel
<LadyBug> not quite
<phantom> I forgot where Carmel is.
<phantom> n?
<LadyBug> haaaaaaaaa
<LadyBug> y
<LadyBug> a little
<phantom> By Big Sur?
<August> yes
<LadyBug> s
<August> LadyBug is in Seattle??yes?
<LadyBug> oh sure
<LadyBug> sometimes
<August> west coast posters are more lively, it's earlier
<LadyBug> yeppers
<phantom> Unless we've been shopping all day!
<lflowers> I've lived in Seattle several times...Alki beach
<August> I skiied
<LadyBug> however my wings get tired after 11
<lflowers> the weather is truly intolerable
<LadyBug> nah
<LadyBug> beautiful
<lflowers> ah,but it rains so
<August> lflowers , have lance bring you to marin!
<LadyBug> does it rain there?
<LadyBug> if not would dry up
<August> not too much
<dvus> borrow that umbrella from the Rams
<August> lots of waterfalls
<LadyBug> I am from Modesto
<phantom> Waterfalls sound lovely.
<LadyBug> no waterfalls there
<August> I have a stable connection, finally on my laptop  Hooray!
<dvus> Who's next
<phantom> I know, LB.
<phantom> :-)
<LadyBug> HOT
<phantom> I know
<LadyBug> u always know   :)
<phantom> well, usually...
<LadyBug> I follow close
<phantom> But I'm always right about what I know..
<LadyBug> that is what bothers me
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<phantom> spooky...
<LadyBug> yep you are
<LadyBug> at least what you know
<phantom> sorry about that, that's true.
<dvus> hmmm- guess I will be staying up Tues.
<LadyBug> you dont have to appologize ...truth is truth
<dvus> lol
<phantom> :-), that's all right.
<dvus> does he do that much flowers?
<lflowers> ?
<dvus> rooster
<lflowers> ah...ocassionally
<LadyBug> familiar
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<dvus> hehhe- funny, I can picture that
<August> wb dim
<Dim> chat locked up
<lflowers> they have several quirky sound effects...fortunately,they've abandoned the stun gun one
<lizzieb> wb dim
<BayBB> wb Dim
<LadyBug> dim blame the invisible one :-)
<lflowers> that didn't go over well with most
<dvus> I bet
<phantom> LB. I'm thinking that maybe Crawford is still alive...
<LadyBug> THANK YOU VERY MUCH
<phantom> Now what are you blaming me for?   )
<LadyBug> just joking dim
<LadyBug> chat lock up
<lflowers> from this point on,I think,it's open stage
<lake> Are you kidding Hoffman??  Beckner, Grant, Kane, Ritter, against the four you named?  And add Smit to that list.
<lflowers> no more distinguished guests
<_jams> This chat is a lot more stable than Erin Hart's - I can't stay there at all
<AuntieBJ> http://www.sunnyday.com/wrow/cinawong/cinawong.html
<LadyBug> I bookmarked cina
<August> cina sounds very brite
<lflowers> yes,jams,I'm hearing all sorts of stories about Erin :)
<LadyBug> its early yet in California
<AuntieBJ> My site locks up everytime on Erin's site 
<_jams> I really can't stay in there - crash constantly there
<LadyBug> where is Erin site?
<lflowers> I understand there's been some volatile chat sessions there lately
<_jams> www.talkspot.com
<LadyBug> thanks
<_jams> Erin and Lance - both firecrackers
<LadyBug> its on the pulldown I think
<LadyBug> yep thats true
<lizzieb> yeah, i always freeze up on talkspot chat
<_jams> but she actually cut him off - said it is MY SHOW!!!
<_jams> LOL
<LadyBug> if you all crash I dont think I'll go there
<dvus> sociopath, maybe? lol
<_jams> It is a *BLEEP* there - getting back in takes fordamnever
<lflowers> lol
<LadyBug> HA
<_jams> well, it is true- - takes forever to load
<phantom> might bbl..
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<lflowers> you wouldn't be the poster known as "Lenina", would you,jams?
<LadyBug> what was today ?  I had problems loading anything
<LadyBug> where does Lenina post?
<_jams> no - 
<lflowers> k
<lflowers> Boulder News
<LadyBug> oh no wonder I wouldnt know
<LadyBug> how do you get through all that mess?
<dvus> OJ LB
<LadyBug> Barry?
<BayBB> LOL BJ
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<August> dirt dna?
<LadyBug> mingled
<dvus> change her into dirty undies?
<LadyBug> we dont know they were dirty
<dvus> diaper?
<lake> IS Hoffman kidding?  Christmas trees hae DNA?
<_jams> she not redressed
<dvus> fake ones no less
<lizzieb> lol
<LadyBug> fake what?
<dvus> trees
<August> Jameson, what about the size 12 panties?  is that correct?
<lflowers> this case has become lost in needless intricacies and theories
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<_jams> yes - that isue
<LadyBug> 12???
<_jams> true
<_jams> 12
<LadyBug> Jesus
<lake> I go for Christmas balls haveing DNA, but not Christmas trees.
<dvus> house keeper thought the bedding was changed?!
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<dvus> lol lake
<August> I'm surprised the panty siz didn't come out a lone time age
<LadyBug> when did that come out size 12?
<lake> Now Hoffman has an intruder coming in and helping them.  Good god.
<lflowers> out of curiosity,lake, what did you think of Wallington's book?
<August> LB, last week, tab
<LadyBug> an intruder with size 12 in his pockets?
<dvus> how in the he** would the house keeper know if the bedding was changed?
<LadyBug> oh  TAB
<_jams> LOL- that is Coffman
<lake> Hastly done, and a lot of filler, but the conclusoion was on the money.
<lostword> That's coffman
<August> new mexico?
<_jams> whispering ed??  LOL
<lflowers> I was almost shocked by the cheap tabloidesque quality of it...expected it to be more "legtimate", somehow
<_jams> we all know why...
<LadyBug> oh no my sound !
<lake> It was a quickie Lisa.
<lflowers> yes
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<dvus> dang, he's getting testy-huh?
<LadyBug> wb invisible whats out there?
<_jams> Coffman is quite emotional
<lake> Hoffman is going to have a stroke.  Get his address in NY when you have to call 911 Lisa.
<lizzieb> ask whispering ed why is isp is denver if he's in new mexico, rofl
<phantom> If there were so many prints on the note, why would they think that they could still find palm prints?
<lflowers> yes...testy would be accurate
<dvus> lol
<dvus> shhhh! hes MM
<lflowers> ok,Liz
<lizzieb> i know
<lizzieb> what a hoot
<lostword> There is no question it is Coffman
<dvus> undress a man like that liz
<lake> This is GREAT!!
<phantom> I think they were just hoping to get something. Being that they messed everything up from the beginning...
<AuntieBJ> Go Frank !!!
<LadyBug> stroke ?
<Dim> I thought this was a non-confrontational program.
<phantom> they were just hoping to cover there earlier mistakes with something.
<AuntieBJ> LOL Dim
<dvus> teehe
<lake> Who is paying Hoffman?  Fleet White?
<AuntieBJ> WhisperingEd (java@XXXXX.denver22.co.pub-ip.psi.net
<dvus> LOL LOL
<lake> Steve Thomas is a mental case.
<AuntieBJ> I don't think WhisperingEd is from New Mexico !!
<dvus> so, his mask is a little crooked
<lizzieb> roflmao
<AuntieBJ> This is funny
<August> does darnay know it is coffman?
<lflowers> no...this is real debate,Dim.
<AuntieBJ> I don't think os
<lizzieb> i don't think so, august
<lake> Everybody is a crook except those that agree with Hoffman?
<AuntieBJ> Now this is a show !!!!
<phantom> But to destroy the note... that's insane.
<dvus> uh huh
<lflowers> Darnay must know
<AuntieBJ> Alright !!  
<lizzieb> hehehe
<_jams> Coffman has been on enough shows - his voice is distinctive
<lake> Who told you that Hoffman?  Fleet White?
<lostword> I don't know, but I find Alex suspect
<August> not a big plot , it is  small plot
<lizzieb> i call them the offman twins - hoffman and coffman - kind of like tweedledum and tweedledee
<AuntieBJ> This is choice
<August> good lizzie
<phantom> Big plot...little minds...?
<Dim> lol. lizzieb
<_jams> Thank God they aren't siamese twins - can you imagine???  LOL
<lflowers> Darnay is in his element
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<lake> Who told you Hoffman?  Fleet White?
<dvus> who is dum & who is dee?
<LadyBug> ell I forgot who is me
<lizzieb> who can tell?
<dvus> lol
<lostword> Frank nows what he is talking about
<dvus> LOL!
<_jams> that is mean - horonal imbalance?   
<dvus> rolling
<_jams> Thomas was sincere - 
<lake> Oh now it comes out.  He has a brother in law working for Fleet White.
<AuntieBJ> Can you even imagine these two in the same room together !! 
<LadyBug> YIKES!
<lake> Keep talking Hoffman.  This is GOOD.
<dvus> I am going to wake up everyone laughing
<lizzieb> bj, you should charge admission for listening to this part of the show
<AuntieBJ> Wonderful
<AuntieBJ> I might get this on RealAudio sooner 
<lake> Now we really have Hoffmans connection.  Fleet White.
<lflowers> finally,real,comprehensive entertainment
<LadyBug> yes  all comes out
<lake> Darny Hoffman, Brother-in-Law, Fleet White.  Make a not Jameson.
<LadyBug> WOW
<lake> Follow the money.
<lostword> He ain't from Texas
<dvus> knows all this from NM- huh?
<lizzieb> wonder if it's the mayflower madam's brother, lol
<lostword> He's been beat up by John
<AuntieBJ> This is WhisperingED
<AuntieBJ> WhisperingEd (java@XXXXX.denver22.co.pub-ip.psi.net
<lizzieb> this is all too much for me, i can't stand it
<_jams> Who works for Fleet White ??  White himself doesn't work...
<dvus> whisper-HA!
<lake> Keep it up Coffman.  You are doing good.
<lizzieb> ScreamingEd
<lflowers> at last,with half an hour of airtime left,things heat up
<dvus> that''s it liz
<lostword> One problem is Frank was introduced as Wispering Ed from New Mexico
<AuntieBJ> Hoffman doesn't know this is Coffman
<phantom> Who's this guy now? Quite frankly..?
<lostword> Lance did that
<BayBB> LOL This is too funny
<dvus> lol
<lizzieb> hahahahahahahahaha
<AuntieBJ> Oh this is great
<lake> Get Hoffman madder and he will tell you how much money White is paying him.
<dvus> whaaa
<AuntieBJ> We are talking choice
<lostword> It's 1:45 AM in Colorado
<BayBB> Oh this is prime, BJ
<AuntieBJ> We only got 15 more minutes
<lostword> Whispering Ed is Coffman
<AuntieBJ> Oh please tell Dave to overrun the program
<dvus> amen
<August> their 15 minutes isn't up yet
<lostword> Coffman isn't bogus
<August> have these two evermet?
<lizzieb> they are still alive, aren't they?
<LadyBug> hope they never do
<AuntieBJ> No, and they refuse to be on the air together
<dvus> nope- they are still alive
<AuntieBJ> Before
<lostword> Lance lied
<lake> Yeager?  Oh great!
<phantom> That interrupting guy is stupid. imho
<AuntieBJ> But Hoffman doesn't know this is Coffman
<August> lance lied?
<August> he must know
<lake> You have him on the ropes Coffman
<August> or he would have asked who are you?
<AuntieBJ> I think Lance knows but I don't think Hoffman knows
<_jams> He should have been told - 
<AuntieBJ> lance and Dave are allowing it to continue
<Dim> Coffman is really played dirty by not identifying himself... and Lance is helping him.  That's wrong.
<lflowers> Darnay knows
<LadyBug> these two are smart enough to know
<lake> We all know it is Coffman.  and if you don't, it does not matter.
<Dim> Then the audience should know too.
<August> can we have a real audio FILE of this part soon?
<BayBB> Darnay always acts as if Coffman isn't really there ot all there
<AuntieBJ> Oh yes
<AuntieBJ> Sir ???
<AuntieBJ> Damn'
<phantom> :-)
<_jams> Interesting...
<AuntieBJ> Holy Chit
<Dim> Lake... Lucas' New York audience doesn't know that it's Coffman.
<August> good stuff
<dvus> have ya picked it all apart yet, Lake?
<LadyBug> excellent
<Dim> That WAS fun.  THAT is talk radio!
<AuntieBJ> Lake, did Hoffman say that Fleet White was his brotherinlaw??? 
<lflowers> yes
<lflowers> (Dim)
<lostword> THis show has always been bogus
<AuntieBJ> This was worth the whole damn show !!!!
<AuntieBJ> I can't wait to listen to this agian
<lostword> Lance can never be trusted
<lflowers> well then,lostword,enjoy the respite from mediocrity
<AuntieBJ> Lisa, does Lance know this is Coffman?
<August> it's only ethically important that Darnay know that it was Coffman
<lflowers> they'll be back in the ring next week
<lflowers> hopefully
<lflowers> yes,auntie,he does
<AuntieBJ> did Lance Plan this??
<lizzieb> can you ask Hoffman to clarify what he said about Fleet White and his (Hoffman's) brother-in-law?
<lflowers> no...not that I know of
<lflowers> yes,liz
<lizzieb> thanks lisa
<AuntieBJ> Are they coming back?
<LadyBug> phantom will you be here Monday ?
<phantom> What time LB?
<LadyBug> midnight  ET
<phantom> same?
<LadyBug> or when the missing college comes on
<phantom> If  I remember, I will be.
<LadyBug> I dont know the schedule
<LadyBug> ok
<LadyBug> I will post reminder
<AuntieBJ> What happen to Whispering Ed?
<phantom> good, thanks, I'll need it.
<phantom> And tuesday is in the afternoon?
<lostword> That's my point, this is more LLL BS
<LadyBug> not sure but will post
<lflowers> ?
<phantom> ok
<Dim> That would give him a reason for his prints being on the pad and pen.
<AuntieBJ> Exactly Dim
<LadyBug> Iflowers will you mail me the schedule?
<lflowers> sure
<phantom> What's LLL,lostword? :-)
<LadyBug> thanks
<lflowers> LLL is an overrated enigma
<phantom> huh?
<lflowers> just what I said
<lflowers> just another forum gossip scapegoat
<phantom> Are there any words beginning with L's?
<AuntieBJ> Jameson always said the perp wore gloves
<lostword> He was wearing gloves?  He?
<LadyBug> could have worn gloves for a time
<lostword> What happened to Coffman?
<phantom> Thanks 1flowers, I think I got it. :-)
<August> Darnay is the guest,Hoffman was the call-in
<dvus> ooo 40% again
<AuntieBJ> Darney is Hoffman !!
<AuntieBJ> Coffman was the call-in
<August> yes, i know, coffman
<August> stick to the frist names
<LadyBug> oooooooooh
<lflowers> well,chit...that's it,I guess
<LadyBug> good show
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<lizzieb> that last part was a classic
<BayBB> Sure was Liz
<LadyBug> was all worth it
<LadyBug> thanks Lance
<lostword> Over rated enema!
<lflowers> hah
<phantom> I don't really think that the more people involved, are helping this case any.
<LadyBug> no but they all want a part in it for their books
<phantom> oh yea
<LadyBug> got to have books
<phantom> I think that's ALL of it.
<phantom> All their concern for the case.
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<LadyBug> yes
<LadyBug> goodnight all
<phantom> night LB
<lake> Bye
<LadyBug> nite
<LadyBug> bye lake
<lizzieb> nite all
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<phantom> night all too
<LadyBug> gottta get out
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<August> ok, Darnay's sister is married to fleet's bother, what is it?
<_jams> I have no idea - missed that part
<August> Imean,exactly what did he say?
<AuntieBJ> Let me listen again here, hold on
<dvus> bet LLake will have a whooper of a post
<August> waiting for you, auntie
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<AuntieBJ> I am listening...give me a second
<_jams> Fleet has only a sister I think
<dvus> if that is true, makes ya wonder huh?
<_jams> sister married to Darnay's brother?
<_jams> I give up
<August> Darnay said womething about a brother-in-law
<dvus> what a mess
<_jams> Destiny - open box, 
<AuntieBJ> All he said was that he had a brother-in-law that lived in Boulder for a "while" but he did not say Fleet White
<_jams> Well, if Fleet is related, it makes you look at him a bit differently, yes?
<_jams> Oh - OK
<dvus> oh- hey but I still look at that Fleet hard
<_jams> I think they had to have checked him out real well.  I think he is innocent - just another victim
<AuntieBJ> Darney did start talking about Fleet White after that comment but he was talking about the letters that Fleet white wrote
<_jams> I hope no one starts a thread saying they are related - morecrap...
<dvus> prolly but I just find some chit too strange to blow off
<AuntieBJ> I hope not either.
<August> i see, he sould be more careful talking around  web posters
<AuntieBJ> It just kind of ran together during the show and it sounded like that is what he said but thta is not what he said
<dvus> ...did Lake evr say anything about it?
<_jams> typical way posters screw things up - really need to have everything documented.  LOL
<dvus> :)
<AuntieBJ> Lake must have thought he heard that...  I hope he doesn't head out to the forums with his "news"
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<AuntieBJ> I will try and get this RealAudio section up tomrorrow so everybody can hear it
<August> If Darnay has a brother-in-law in boulder, then it myst be Fleet or JR, right?
<_jams> BN is silly - too many jameson threads - wish they would knock that off - a real waste of space
<AuntieBJ> Not necessarily
<AuntieBJ> He just said a brother-in-law
<August> not nec???
<AuntieBJ> Could be anybody
<_jams> anybody is right - lol - 
<_jams> maybe *gasp* COFFMAN!  LOL
<BayBB> I was right once
<dvus>  hehe- tab stuff huh?
<AuntieBJ> I'm talking about the Coffman-Hoffman thing
<_jams> Tab stuff for sure - 
<August> was a tab here tonite?
<AuntieBJ> But that was some conversation though
<dvus> chit- prolly next headline
<AuntieBJ> Wowzie
<AuntieBJ> Really
<dvus> was good!
<dvus> heated
<AuntieBJ> And I was just reading all the Coffman-Hoffman threads over on Cybersleuth's fourm the other day and they sound just like the show
<August> goodnite!
<AuntieBJ> nite
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<dvus> well I'm going to see if Lake has posted anything- can't wait to get his take on it all- HA
<AuntieBJ> OMG....Really
<AuntieBJ> I can see it now
<BayBB> Well I am out of here, goodnight everyone
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<AuntieBJ> Lake will be getting into arguements with Hoffman on the forums saying White is his brother-in-law
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<_jams> night
<AuntieBJ> Yeah me too, later
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