Session Start: Sat Apr 24 23:54:35 1999
*** Now talking in #wrow
*** Topic is 'The Dave Lucas Show; The Littleton Tragedy and America's Youth. Special Guest Dale Yeager, Director of SERAPH ...Special URL for the night is http://www.sunnyday.com/wrow/littleton/'
*** Set by matthews on Sat Apr 24 22:57:12
<BayBB> HI BJ
<lflowers> hey,auntie
<AuntieBJ> Hi BayBB, Lisa
<AuntieBJ> brb
<AuntieBJ> I am back :-)
<BayBB> :-)
<BayBB> Small crowd as yet
<Snow_Wolf> hi, BJ(:
<AuntieBJ> Hi snow
<AuntieBJ> This crap has been so scary
<BayBB> Yes it has
<BayBB> And now there is another date to  worry about, or so it seems
<AuntieBJ> I hate these WROW commercials, they are so loud
<AuntieBJ> Yeah, tomorrow's date
<AuntieBJ> Or today now for some of us
<BayBB> makes you wonder
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<GonzoRiter> Hello !!
<BayBB> HI GR
<GonzoRiter> how is everyone tonight?
<BayBB> :-)  I like that Hat :-)
<GonzoRiter> thank you, ...it's sort of fitting...(as it were)
<BayBB> :-)
<AuntieBJ> Hi Gonzo
<GonzoRiter> Hi AuntieBJ
<AuntieBJ> This whole thing is horrible
<BayBB> Yes it is
<Snow_Wolf> hi, Gonzo(:
<GonzoRiter> it's both distressing..and interesting, ...these school shootings
<GonzoRiter> Hello, Snow_Wolf
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<lflowers> hey,rushnut
<AuntieBJ> Hi rushnut
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<mimi> hiya
<Snow_Wolf> hi, rushnut and mimi(:
<lflowers> hello
<rushnut> hello
<lflowers> and hello to you,Gonzo
<rushnut> hello
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<mimi> small group tonight
<lflowers> yes
<rushnut> pass me the crown lisa please
<lflowers> hold on...
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<rushnut> k
<AuntieBJ> It is amazing LIsa that others would't be concerned on this
<lflowers> yes,I know
<rushnut> no kidding
<GonzoRiter> sorry, I was DC's...back now, I think
<Snow_Wolf> wb, Gonzo(:
<lflowers> maybe the room will fill up as the night goe son
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<GonzoRiter> thank you, Snow_Wolf
<GonzoRiter> who is rushnut?...btw
<GonzoRiter> is s/he an internet personality?
<lflowers> an in studio guest
<rushnut> i am
<rushnut> he
<rushnut>  dan
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<GonzoRiter> ah,...I see      there sure are a lot of these internet personalities here.   :-)
<rushnut> lol
<lflowers> some more flamboyant than others
<GonzoRiter> hi Alex    wazzup?
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<GonzoRiter> yes, I understand that...Lisa
<rbcp> hello gonzo sir
<lflowers> I think I may call in tonight
<rbcp> i would but i would probably start making childish burping noises on the air or something stupid
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<lflowers> ah,but there's nothing necessarily wrong with that
<BayBB> HI Kaethe
<kaethe> hey guys
<lflowers> hi
<rushnut> hi
<Snow_Wolf> hi, kaethe(:
<rushnut> acceptable adult burbing noises are accepted
<kaethe> i'm listening but finishing up an e-mail....
<Snow_Wolf> glad to know that, rushnut(:
<GonzoRiter> what happened to Tara..?   isn't she with the show tonight?
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<GonzoRiter> (tara=mimi)
<GonzoRiter> Hi bobo
<lflowers> hi dvus
<dvus> hi
<rushnut> hi
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<IntegrityVirus> ola
<lflowers> love the name,integrity virus
<IntegrityVirus> i thank you
<IntegrityVirus> whats everybody talkin about?
<lflowers> the killings
<rbcp> we WERE talking about you until you showed up
<dvus> lol
<rbcp> oh sorry guys, that slipped
<IntegrityVirus> haha, no.
<GonzoRiter> 4 AFK
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<lflowers> bravo
<rushnut> ?????
<GonzoRiter> Lady Madonna
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<GonzoRiter> lost a celebrity again...
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<IntegrityVirus> huh
<GonzoRiter> dropping like flies...but, here's one back buzzing now.
<GonzoRiter> wb, nut
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<IntegrityVirus>             \'/ ____ \'/
<IntegrityVirus>             ~@-/ oO \-@~
<IntegrityVirus>             /_( \__/ )_\
<IntegrityVirus>                               \ _ _ U _ /           b r r r r r r   t o   u  1flowers
<Snow_Wolf>  hi, brenda(:
<BayBB> Hi Brenda
<brenda> hi snow wolf
<dvus> hi brenda
<brenda> hi baybb
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<Snow_Wolf> hi, maxi(:
<brenda> hi everybody
<lflowers> hi maxi
<dvus> hi maxi
<BayBB> Hi Maxi
<GonzoRiter> Hi Brenda & Maxi
<maxi> HI!  Didn't think I'd ever get here.
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<Snow_Wolf> glad you made it(:
<dvus> y not?
<Snow_Wolf> matrix is much easier to type(:
<maxi> I couldn't get in by just clicking on the wrow site, so had to come in via mirc.
<Matrix> i have bean released
<GonzoRiter> mIRC is much better, Maxi  :-)
<dvus> I had a few probs also
<maxi> The other has always worked for me before.
<rushnut> edward scissor hands
<Snow_Wolf> hi, dvus - didn't see you come in(:
<rbcp> Anyone else happen to notice www.trenchcoat.org?
<GonzoRiter> the java chat works, Maxi   but, it's much better using an IRC client...IMO
<dvus> hi snow- I was sneakin' :)
<GonzoRiter> I noticed the trenchcoat.com site, ...
<GonzoRiter> ...didn't bother to check the other clones.
<rbcp> com?  hmmm
<Matrix> i have bean set free, and hear to reek havock, i am Matrix
<rushnut> http://come.to/littleton
<GonzoRiter> yes,..    DNS from the past 2 days or so,  chili
<maxi> I watched Basketball Diaries tonight to see if I thought it would inspire kids to violence.
<GonzoRiter> as long as you don't reek havoc, ...we're cool   Matrim
<lflowers> ah,christ...is this caller a hoax?
<dvus> ? peace
<GonzoRiter> isn't this the station for hoax calls?..
<rushnut> lolololololol
<lflowers> pretty much
<AuntieBJ> Oh boy
<kaethe> Now i'm off to get a snack in the kitchen ;^)
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<dvus> :0) LOL!
<GonzoRiter> hoax calls,..and faux internet personalities...seem to be the stock in trade.
<kaethe> Hey maxi
<rbcp> lance could i have your permission to make a hoax call?
<rushnut> he was a loacal nut
<brenda> What is so funny?
<lflowers> more theatrics...I enjoy the drunk ones and the insomniac fanatics
<dvus> is this a direct line? to God that is
<rbcp> i just looked at trenchcoat.com - trenchcoat.org is definately more entertaining.
<brenda> Could be you know.
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<GonzoRiter> most likely, pep      if you find that sort of thing entertaining.
<MatrixVirus> this name of IntegrityVirus?????????????
<kaethe> testing...one...two...
<rushnut> three
<dvus> echo-one two
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<GonzoRiter> is Yaeger for real?...he seems so clueless.
<dvus> they didn't fall in- thought that was the problem
<lflowers> what? Alice Cooper?
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<Snow_Wolf> hi, chet(:
<dvus> hi chet
<BayBB> Hi Chet
<lflowers> try Bauhaus,This Mortal Coil,Dead Can Dance...anything but Alice Cooper
<chet> Hello everyone
<rushnut> hi chet
<lflowers> hi
<dvus> need to talk to that guy
<lflowers> Dale?
<dvus> no-money maker
<lflowers> ah
<dvus> :)
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<dvus> hi nancy
<Snow_Wolf> hi, nancy(:
<rushnut> hi murphy
<NancyO> hi
<lflowers> hi
<lflowers> The Anarchists Cookbook
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<dvus> true!!!
<dvus>  bull
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<BayBB> wb Maxi
<maxi> my computer is giving me trouble tonight.
<Snow_Wolf> wb, maxi(:
<rushnut> spank it
<rbcp> maxi, what'd you think of basketball diaries?
<dvus> :)
<maxi> I think I'll just stay in this room.
<BayBB> :-) Maxi
<rbcp> should they really be ripping them off the shelves?
<maxi> I thought it was pretty good.  My son didn't like it when he saw it years ago.
<maxi> He used to read a lot of Jim Carroll.
<rbcp> how old of a movie is it? i've heard of it but never seen it
<lflowers> a couple years
<NancyO> 94-95?
<rbcp> ah
<maxi> Well, my son read Jim Carroll in his last year of high school, I think.
<AuntieBJ> Lisa, ask Dale if those bomb were in times and expected to go off Monday?
<lflowers> Jim Carroll actually appeared in it briefly
<dvus> nah way- really?
<brenda> One of the boys in Littleton was Jewish and he hated Jews.
<AuntieBJ> Timers Lisa not times
<GonzoRiter> Hi Anderson
<lflowers> playing,predictably, a junkie
<maxi> Was Carroll the junkie talking about the candles in the church?
<rbcp> what cracked me up was how CNN pleaded for everyone to pull that movie from the shelves as they played the entire unedited graphic scene
<lflowers> yes
<rushnut> lisa is not in the studio...we are here
<AuntieBJ> LIsa, did you get my question?
<maxi> I just don't see why that movie would lead to violence.
<AuntieBJ> Sorry, Then Rushnut can you ask for me
<rushnut> auntie, this is lance and rush
<lflowers> I'm at home tonight,auntie
<AuntieBJ> Ask Dale if the bombs in the school were on timers and if they were expected to go off Monday
<AuntieBJ> Or if there are more in the school maybe
<lflowers> i
<maxi> It seems to me like action movies in which violence is glamourized and no one gets hurt would be more likely to do it.
<lflowers> test
<maxi> Doesn't lance know that note has been called a hoax?
<rbcp> Natural Born Killers, maybe?
<Snow_Wolf> that is a horrible movie, IMO
<maxi> More likely.
<lflowers> I think Oliver Stone is generally a one sided director
<rushnut> he just asked BJ
<AuntieBJ> Thanks Rushnut
<maxi> Was Natural Born Killers the one about the two New Yorkers driving across country who kill the guy in the gas station?
<lflowers> he invents events to suit his own agenda..."The Doors" is a good example
<AuntieBJ> Ask if they were the same kind of bombs 
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<rbcp> Did you hear he's being sued by some lady because her son  blew away some people?
<maxi> Manson used Revealations for his guidebook.
<brenda> Most of the bombs had fuses setoff my matches.  Kitchen matches .  No sofisticated at all.
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<maxi> I wonder who was supposed to set off the bombs that weren't detonated.
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<rbcp> I thought they all had mercury switches in them
<brenda> They were.  They just got trapped in the library.
<rbcp> So they'd go off if they were jiggled
<AuntieBJ> That is what I am asking Maxi, here they on timers or what?
<lflowers> who here believes in eternal damnation?
<Snow_Wolf> rushnut, ask Dale if he thinks only allowing see-through back packs or mesh ones would help any - that's how it is at my son's school
<dvus> living it flowers -:)
<lflowers> lol
<GonzoRiter> z
<maxi> How did they get trapped in the library, brenda?
<brenda> The only bomb that had a timer was the propane tank that did not go off.  They miswired that one.
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<brenda> By the police officer at the school.
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<dvus> hi God- have I got questions for you!
<maxi> Goodness, they could have shot him.
<dvus> figures
<brenda> That is why he did not go into the library.
<maxi> So why didn't they shoot their way out and set off the other bombs?
<brenda> He trapped them there and let them shoot only those in the library.
<rushnut> god is no longer here
<lflowers> interesting
<maxi> Cause they are now saying they had killed themselves before the SWAT teams ever got in.
<GonzoRiter> right, Maxi    but, if so...who fired those shots?
<brenda> 10 of 13 killed were in the library where the two were trapped.
<maxi> I heard the cops were shooting at each other.
<GonzoRiter> makes sense, Maxi 
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<maxi> In my day greasers were working class kids like Fonzie.  No drugs.
<AuntieBJ> Hey, not all the "greasers" did drugs !!! 
<lflowers> I never would have pegged Dale as a high school jock,for some reason
<AuntieBJ> Right Maxi
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<GonzoRiter> Hi Leigh
<Snow_Wolf> hi, leigh(:
<maxi> Taters?
<dvus> hi leigh
<maxi> hi Leigh
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<dvus> juicers
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<maxi> What the heck are taters?
<Leigh> hi I had a time getting here tonight
<GonzoRiter> what generation are these guys from?
<GonzoRiter> nice to see you, Leigh
<rushnut> there you go maxi
<maxi> Ah.
<rushnut> hey dont slam nuts
<GonzoRiter> good grief,... "late 60's edition of trailer trash",...     what sort of spuds were these guys cooking?
<rushnut> tt tragety
<maxi> Sounds painful.
<dvus> for real
<GonzoRiter> :-) Maxi
<dvus> amen
<lflowers> yes
<lflowers> yes...I agree completely with that
<lflowers> Society is never responsible for individual actions
<maxi> The Japanese have very violent games and videos but don't go about killing each other like we do.
<dvus> wizardry mang
<GonzoRiter> this is so silly, Maxi  
<brenda> This is going in the wrong direction.  Is this guy nuts?
<AuntieBJ> I believe it is the individual...  
<maxi> Also lots of S&M porno but little rape.
<lflowers> yes
<lflowers> wholly the individual
<GonzoRiter> we have the nut in the studio already, Brenda     so, these must be the morons now.
<Snow_Wolf> i respectfully disagree with that, lisa - society does influence an individuals actions.
<rushnut> good point maxi
<lflowers> yes,inevitably...
<lflowers> but..
<AuntieBJ> I have played Doom and Heretic and it didn't warp me
<lflowers> society cannot be held accountable for individual depravities
<maxi> It's a combination.  People come with certain predispositions and are influenced by their environment.
<GonzoRiter> are these people really this clueless?    or, is it just a situation where opinions must be espoused, irrevelant or not?
<brenda> Then we have nuts like this caller.  He is the problem.
<GonzoRiter> :-) Brenda
<Snow_Wolf> i agree with that, maxi
<maxi> They do not have four times the number of attacks in general tho.
<dvus> yep-yep-yep!
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<maxi> They have far fewer attacks, it's just that a higher proportion of them are with edge weapons cause there aren't guns.
<BayBB> :-)  MJ
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<dvus> hi just
<justlistening> hi
<dvus> yes
<lflowers> there will always be a black market,regardless of whatever laws are in affect
<GonzoRiter> Hi Justlistening...why the nick change tonight?  :-)
<maxi> Hey, dave & lance, don't let this guy get away with those bogus stats.
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<Snow_Wolf> yes, there will be, lisa
<GonzoRiter> :-) Maxi   (but, Dale is part of the internet personae being presented here)
<justlistening> just listening Gonzo
<maxi> This guy is getting off on the guns.  I had a boyfriend like that once.
<GonzoRiter> lol, Maxi
<lflowers> lol
<brenda> Those two guys in Littleton should have been or polite is suspose.  They had guns.
<maxi> He invited me up to his room to hold his gun.
<GonzoRiter> hope it wasn't loaded, Max
<maxi> Sure would have been a lot harder for them to have killed so many with knives.
<dvus> more resposible parents- that would help
<maxi> OBE -- Order of the British Empire?
<GonzoRiter> isn't that the truth, Maxi        I think that part of the discussion is not germane to the agenda of those prattling on here now.
<rushnut> parents that had parental training themselves would help
<dvus> yes rush
<lflowers> individuals being responsible for their own actions would help
<AuntieBJ> You got that Lisa
<dvus> what about these Chater hospital things? What's that about?
<rushnut> we are now a country of single parents or both working parents trying to raise our kids 4-6 hrs a week
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<maxi> What are chater hospitals?
<dvus> chit- I can't type
<dvus> Charter
<maxi> Charter schools?
<dvus> spell either lol
<dvus> hospitals
<rushnut> same here dvus
<rushnut> brb....420
<Snow_Wolf> i have some commnents about mental health - should I call in?
<dvus> parents can't deal with kid, send them there, just like you put a car in the shop
<lflowers> try and bring that clock back with you,rushnut
<maxi> It would help make the show more sensible, snow.  Call!
<maxi> Oh, I know what you mean, dvus.
<dvus> hospital is only interested in the $$$
<maxi> They keep the kid the requisite time until the insurance goes out.
<dvus> where does that leave the kids?
<maxi> I've never known a kid to be helped by those.
<Snow_Wolf> i want to address the insurance aspect of those hospitals and *BLEEP*
<Snow_Wolf> no one is answering the phone
<GonzoRiter> Snow, here's a quarter....try again
<Snow_Wolf> thanks, Gonzo(:
<dvus> but look how acceptable this kind of thing has become
<BayBB> LOL
<dvus> always a commercial on TV about it
<maxi> It would look like a pretty typical spree killing if it weren't for there being two kids.
<GonzoRiter> yes, it would   Maxi
<brenda> Man started out with the jaw bone of  an ass to kill, and now they are asses with ozzies.
<GonzoRiter> yes,...if you meant Uzis...Brenda,     :-)
<maxi> My kids have web pages and I know it.
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<dvus> yes ozzie was an azz
<maxi> My older daughter's webpage is all about herself.
<brenda> Thank you, dvus
<dvus> see maxi- you know
<maxi> My younger daughter's webpages are about her pet rock and beanie babies.
<matthews> yeah  snowy...call
<maxi> My son hardly knows how to access web pages, much less build one.  And he's the oldest.
<maxi> Yes, take your pet to work!  I approve.
<dvus> at least you know what's up with your kid
<maxi> I'm a nosey mom.
<dvus> that's a good thing
<rushnut> wackit with fatwhacker
<rushnut> wack it good
<dvus> devo
<rushnut> i wacked it four times today
<AuntieBJ> What parents need to learn and know is how to look up on the computer the history folders and temp files and stuff like that to see where their kids have been
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<justlistening> wack a commercial instead
<maxi> My older daughter just wrote a paper for her English class about that, bj.
<dvus> hi rasputin
<AuntieBJ> Really, people don't realize that history files stay in your ssystem and not just in the HISTORY folder
<GonzoRiter> dosvedanya, rasputin
<maxi> Do you think as many boys wanted to shoot up their classes when we were young?
<Rasputin> Likewise. Gonzo
<dvus> I wanted to a few times and I'm not a boy
<dvus> but I knew better
<dvus> kids can be cruel as hell
<GonzoRiter> possibly, Maxi   but those were different times with a different population base...
<maxi> And high school is a pressure cooker.
<AuntieBJ> Maxi, when I was young (eons ago) we had guns all over the place because my father was a policeman plus a hunter and he always had guns and rifles around and we never ever thought of taking them and doing anyting with them.  And my father taught me how to shot a gun, revolfer and rifle, shotguns and I still never thought to doing what these kids do
<justlistening> bon nuit
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<GonzoRiter> Matthews,..really    Stephen King's books are not representative of the general school population at all.
<rushnut> ou had wise parents
<lflowers> I hear that,auntie
<maxi> It was like that around here, too, BJ.  This is Virginia.
<Leigh> But these kids didn't just snap one day.  They conspired for nearly a year.
<GonzoRiter> right, Leigh
<dvus> I wouldn't have taken the time to be on the net then
<rushnut> <----thinks gonzo sounds like1080
<maxi> That happens with spree killings adults do, too.
<lflowers> nah
<maxi> Maybe kids are just acting more grown up.
<lflowers> (rushnut)
<maxi> They're doing everything else younger.
<dvus> oh, I was a trouble maker
<dvus> guess I vented
<brenda> People are going to kill people.  They have since the garden of eden.  If they have rocks, they will kill with rocks.  I they have guns, they will kill with guns.
<maxi> Two sixth graders had babies in our local middle school last year.
<AuntieBJ> I mean didn't somebody clean that kids room and see that crap?
<dvus> uh huh
<maxi> Oh no -- here he goes on psychopaths again.
<dvus> chit- they sat out in the garage and the neighbor Knew something was up
<Leigh> The sawed-off barrel of the shotgun was on the kids' dresser in his room.
<dvus> but the parents didn't
<dvus> says something IMO
<dvus> my mom was single and had to work
<GonzoRiter> Yeager is,....IMO     generally clueless re the real world.   jeesh
<maxi> The parents had sought mental health care and were denied it.
<maxi> The judge told the kid to be a good boy.
<dvus> but it also left a bunch of time for me to get in stuff
<dvus> she knew nada about
<maxi> Does Yeager have kids?
<lflowers> yes
<maxi> How old?
<lflowers> not sure
<GonzoRiter> he is a kid, isn't he?...judging from his pic and bio
<dvus> brady knows
<brenda> In the Garden of Eden, parents had to keep rocks away from their childern.  Today they have to keep pipe bombs and guns away form them.
<AuntieBJ> Rushnut, is that true what Daves says that we can prevent the virus on Monday but simply not being on our computers on Monday??  That will solve our problems with this virus???
<maxi> Lots of kids like Hitler because it's so un-PC.
<rushnut> ill get it to ya when the break comes auntiebj
<AuntieBJ> But Hitler killed himself !!!
<maxi> Excuse me, Dale, what about all the Naxis who killed themselves at the end of WWII?
<dvus> so did these kids
<lflowers> good point,BJ
<GonzoRiter> :-) Maxi
<maxi> Frightening to think Dale taught history.
<GonzoRiter> lol
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<AuntieBJ> Hilter and his new wife killed themselves togehter on April 30th
<sTrip> Hail Hitler!
<dvus> hi trip
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<lflowers> perhaps you should mention that,Dan
<GonzoRiter> he's really clueless,...and it's weird to hear these folks presented as "experts"
<AuntieBJ> Yes do ask DAle about Hilter's death
<maxi> Shouldn't that be Heil!, sTrip.
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<dvus> nah- hail balls
<dvus> more violent (G)
<AuntieBJ> What happened to rushnut?
<BayBB> He went crazy
<maxi> Public shootings?  As opposed to private shootings?
<dvus> sociopaths
<maxi> They're everywhere.
<dvus> lol
<GonzoRiter> everyone is a "sociopath", according to Yeager
<GonzoRiter> (especially Southern Women)
<dvus> the question -is he/
<AuntieBJ> Is Madkowz a sociopath?
<GonzoRiter> MK is a moron, BJ
<dvus> ah, we know he is :)
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<AuntieBJ> Rushnut, ask Lance to ask Dale what about Hilter and his new wife who both killed themselves..  
<brenda> And an angry society with easy access to guns is nuts.
<dvus> will getting rid of guns make people happy?
<brenda> Mabe fewer will be killed.
<rushnut> bj the answer to your computer question was not to turn it on all day monday
<dvus> the problem then is not the gun but the happy-no?
<rushnut> lance can see this screen...just ask
<AuntieBJ> Does this mean that everybody in the world show not turn on their computers on Monday?  
<brenda> Do you know how many rocks it takes to kill somebody if you can't throw straight dvus?
<rushnut> thats what dave said
<dvus> 1
<lflowers> it's literally impossible to "get rid of guns"because,again,there will always be a black market.Nor should guns be got rid of,I think.
<GonzoRiter> lol
<brenda> Not if you miss.
<lflowers> People have the right to defend themselves
<dvus> same with a gun
<lflowers> and their loved ones
<brenda> dvus.  I suspose want to go up against an AK47 with a rock?
<AuntieBJ> Right
<dvus> take away guns and you just might
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<dvus> hi ks
<brenda> I'll take the AK47, you take the rock.
<Snow_Wolf> hi, ks(:
<dvus> nope, you want to get rid of guns
<maxi> I don't think it's right to blame Goths.
<dvus> I keep the gun, thanx
<Snow_Wolf> me either, maxi
<brenda> Yes, but you are soo good with rocks.
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<maxi> Disinfected youths!?
<Snow_Wolf> hi, lizzie
<lizzieb> hi guys
<maxi> hi lizzie
<Rasputin> LOL, Maxi
<BayBB> HI Liz
<Snow_Wolf> lance ask Dale if he thinks sociopaths can be helped if they had *BLEEP* early enough (or medication)
<dvus> no-never said I was good with rocks
<Rasputin> Got yer axe, Lizzie?
<maxi> Does anyone think skinheads have anything to do with columbine?
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<rushnut> hi mimi
<dvus> will play marbles though- do you have any?
<lizzieb> not tonight, rasputin
<mimi> hi again :)
<GonzoRiter> Hi Liz
<GonzoRiter> Hi Tara
<rushnut> no maxi
<mimi> whos that?
<Snow_Wolf> rush, will you ask lance to ask dale my question from above?  please(:
<mimi> hi gonzo
<rushnut> lost it
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<rushnut> repeat ti snow
<rushnut> it
<AuntieBJ> <Snow_Wolf> lance ask Dale if he thinks sociopaths can be helped if they had *BLEEP* early enough (or medication)
<mimi> Sounds like he is pointing specifically to Nazi subculture as a potential backer for this massacre
<Snow_Wolf> all i said was *BLEEP* not BLEEP - LOL
<Snow_Wolf> thanks, BJ(:
<mimi> Is there any other terrorist type org that might be responsible?  Iraqis perhaps?
<brenda> Manson is a genius.
<mimi> can u alsk, Lance
<rushnut> there ya go
<lflowers> maybe SBTC was responsible
<rushnut> lask?
<mimi> lol
<Snow_Wolf> thanks(:
<dvus> you solved things flowers!
<mimi> lol
<lflowers> :)
<mimi> serbs?
<mimi> bosnia?
<mimi> albanians?
<mimi> oh well
<rushnut> whats left of tony
<rushnut> caller..where are ya from and what are ya drinking
<Rasputin> Marilyn Manson had about as much to do with the Columbine massacre as Alice Cooper had in the Democratic Convention riots.
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<rushnut> yes rasp
<dvus> wow- thank God I don't live there
<brenda> Is SBTC a mental disorder?
<rushnut> true
<lflowers> yes
<dvus> I could never spell it
<maxi> What was the name of the shooter in Oregon?
<rushnut> no its a series of letters in caps
<maxi> Kip something?
<lizzieb> kip kinkel?
<rushnut> but thats not important right now
<lizzieb> something like that
<lflowers> maybe it's best to have Big Brother make our decisions for us, after all.
<Rasputin> School's Out was almost an anthem back then... and it scared some adults.
<maxi> That's him, I think.  His parents were there for him, but he was out of control.
<maxi> Parents can't fix everything.
<dvus> Big Brother is a bully
<Rasputin> Parents can't fix everything, but these parents were certainly not involved with their kids.
<matthews> hehehehehe... I snuck out
<lflowers> 420 again?
<maxi> Lance I can't believe you let that guy get away with that bogus statistic about knives vs. guns.
<Rasputin> <<  cough... cough >>
<rushnut> no 420 pee break
<rushnut> cough cough afterward
<dvus> wood pile- tell the truth
<rushnut> lance is back
<Rasputin> Manson has been selling out concerts for years... tens of thousnds of kids... and TWO kids go nutz?  It ain't music.
<lflowers> no chit
<Rasputin> ... and it ain't TV...
<maxi> Some people are just more vulnerable to environmental influences.
<mimi> Same type of things happened in the 70's with Black Sabbath/ Satanic cults
<dvus> uh huh
<Rasputin> and it's ain't video games.  It's faulty wiring.  Period.
<lflowers> the last thing people look for when theyre looking for something to "blame" is the individual
<mimi> Every time there was a killing, it was the lyrics that made them do it
<maxi> In the early 60s people though West Side Story would cause us all to join gangs.
<lizzieb> lisa, that's part of the problem, a lack of individual responsibility
<rushnut> if a parent can sue someone for heveymeatal lyrics then we should be able to sue stealy dan and john denver for turning us into wimps in the seventies
<mimi> lol
<dvus>  I think it's not so much what is said but just the interaction of saying
<dvus> attention
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<rushnut> hey lance
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<Lance_M> damn comps here
<Lance_M> hey dan
<maxi> You know, I'm thinking about fetishes.
<rushnut> hey thta guys armed
<Lance_M> ?
<lflowers> sounds juicy
<rushnut> fetishes of.......?
<Lance_M> what about fetishes
<Rasputin> Fetishes, Maxi?  ;-)  I'll bite.
<maxi> Most people see shoes and don'g develop a fetish.
<rushnut> and squishy
<maxi> But some people get really into them.
<Lance_M> you'll bite?
<maxi> Maybe it's like that with violent video games and movies.
<rushnut> ill get the horse
<lflowers> lol
<Lance_M> lol rush
<dvus> true maxi
<Lance_M> I like violent video games...doesn't mean I'm a psycho....er....uh...forget that
<Lance_M> g2g
<AuntieBJ> Lance, this is important:  This information came from the bomb instructions in one of the paragrphs.  Ask Dale if he knows what it means
<rushnut> lol
<AuntieBJ> Here is the paragraph: If you are using nails it might be a good idea to have them right up against the pipe walls, so they go faster farther.  As far as taping, tying, or gluing nails onto the outside of the pipe, I am not sure that method works.  I did try it on the Delta batch, and since they won't be used until NBK it'll be kind of hard to report the results.  You might try asking the survivors if they got a good look at the bomb before it went off and then the remains!
<maxi> Well, I wear shoes but I'm not a foot freak.
<maxi> But some people are.
<AuntieBJ> What does Delta Batch mean and wht does NBK mean?
<Rasputin> Maxi... I think that if the video games weren't available, they'd make up their own violent game.  And if there was no Mason, they'd makeup their own music.
<maxi> Like Charlie Manson used Revelations.
<AuntieBJ> This was in the actual bomb instructions of the killer Lance
<Rasputin> Delta batch = test batch
<maxi> I think there might be certain sensitive points in a person's development where they are more open to getting hung up on something, whether it's shoes or violence.
<mimi> Nerds Become Killers
<maxi> Revenge of the nerds.
<AuntieBJ> I did a search on AOL and NBK brings up Natural Born Killers but this doesn't seem to fit into this paragraph
<mimi> NBK fits
<mimi> sort of
<rushnut> yes it does
<mimi> Auntie BJ
<maxi> Not more so than before.  Think of all the book burnings through the ages.
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<mimi> The whole idea of a high school killing spree/bombs going off - see the movie Heathers
<maxi> Yes, and Christian Slater had bombs all over his body, didn't he?
<mimi> yes suicide mission
<dvus> where did the folks who make the internet info available get the info on bombs?
<mimi> exactly the same plot
<maxi> My son loved that movie.
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<rushnut> it is a common thought among teens in school
<mimi> it was great - revenge on the beautiful people
<Snow_Wolf> Natural Born Killers could almost make a sane person go nuts, I think.
<rushnut> to blow away the bad people
<lflowers> it was a transparently frivolous movie
<lflowers> a joke
<AuntieBJ> Dvus, the day of the killings, I found the directory that belonged to the killer and I went into the directory and downloaded the files and that is wher I found the bomb instructions
<rushnut> the movies are there cause they play out those feelingd for the kids
<mimi>  I think it was intended to be a dark comedy
<maxi> Dale Yeager got to see the autopsy pics?
<brenda> There have alway been crazy people and there always will be crazy.  The question to be answered is, Do  you want crazy people to have easy access to a guns  and explosives so they can kill you with ease?
<dvus> but they prolly 1st had to find info in a book to put it on the net
<lflowers> but Oliver Stone's political correctness is so obvious
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<maxi> No, no.  He blew up the school, Dale.
<lflowers> and so irritating
<mimi> how so, Lisa
<AuntieBJ> Oh sure, they got the inforamtion somewhere but they put up this .DOC file for people to download and get the instructions
<lflowers> he's far too biases to ever present a comprehensive portrait of anything
<lflowers> biased
<rushnut> there will always be people who were made to feel inferior allthier lives and from time to time they WILL strike out
<maxi> Killed his wife first, too.
<maxi> paranoids will be paranoids.
<lflowers> "just because you're paranoid don't mean theyre not after you"
<rushnut> new modular comet proof homes
<mimi> He is biased, but I don't think this movie was really meant for that kind of analysis - maybe I missed it?
<rushnut> wave of the future dont leave your family unprotected
<maxi> I wonder if there are proportionally more mass killings now than in the past.
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<lizzieb> hi dimmy
<AuntieBJ> Hi Beanie
<maxi> hi dimmy
<DimWit> ... ISP gave me the bum's rush again...
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<Snow_Wolf> hi, dimmie(:
<maxi> It takes only a half hour to teach people to profile violent children?
<rushnut> hi bean bag (from lance) :)
<brenda> A lot of American Indians were killed in the 1800's
<rushnut> 1.5 hrs
<DimWit> Hi Kiddie's... I hope Rasputin didn't scare anyone.
<dvus> true Brenda
<lflowers> it was meant to illustrate the desensitizing of our culture to violence...
<rushnut> nah
<lflowers> hard to do when the main characters themselves are sociopaths
<mimi> god point
<GonzoRiter> wb, dimwit
<mimi> good
<DimWit> Thanks Gonzo
<rushnut> scared of being sued
<rushnut> all schools
<GonzoRiter> this is cool,...we have some morons already, and now a dimwit
<GonzoRiter> :-)
<DimWit> Sued?  Like SueB?
<rushnut> as in court
<mimi> but wasn't it that desensitization that turned them into sociopaths?
<DimWit> ahhhh....
<AuntieBJ> SueB is not here probably because the killer's name was not Ramsey
<maxi> True sociopaths are neurologically different.
<dvus> was Lance a stoner?
<DimWit> We don't profile for "weirdness".  Whew!
<lflowers> the point is that Stone failed to illustrate his point
<maxi> Is the Pope Catholic?
<brenda> I believe Custer and his men did a lot of mass killings after the Civil War.  But that was Gvt. authorized mass killings.
<mimi> gotcha :)
<GonzoRiter> :-) Maxi
<rushnut> you are correct brenda
<rushnut> there are incedents of ethnic clensing in every war
<rushnut> take the crusades for example.....
<brenda> Oh.  Is that what it was, a war?
<dvus> John Lennon had the ticket IMO
<brenda> I thought it was an effort to get rid of the dirty old Indians.
<GonzoRiter> Dimwit, ...were you here as "rasputin" a bit ago?
<DimWit> Of course, Gonzo
<maxi> There actually is a website where you can answer questions to see if you have Antisocial Personality Disorder.
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<lflowers> I should probably pay that website a visit
<rushnut> it was the govt lying to the public about indians and creating them as savages so they could be wiped out
<maxi> They have questions for all different mental conditions.
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<AuntieBJ> You got that rushnut
<brenda> Right.
<rushnut> major american history buff
<AuntieBJ> I meant to say you got that right rushnut
<rushnut> gotcha
<rushnut> brb
<maxi> Here's a question:  Does Dale think the jocks who taunted and threw things at the murderers were sociopaths, too?
<GonzoRiter> :-) maxi
<brenda> No maxie.  The shooters were psychopathic, the jocks were the sociopaths.
<DimWit> Good question, Maxi
<maxi> Psychopaths=sociopaths=antisocial personality disorder according to DSM-IV.
<brenda> Yes, but if you slit a throat your a psychopath.  If you throw a bottle, your are a sociopath.
<lizzieb> yeager thinks everybody is a sociopath, maxi
<maxi> I know, liz.  
<brenda> It is all a matter of degree, maxi
<lizzieb> i guess the ones who aren't are psychopaths
<GonzoRiter> :-) Liz    (and I wonder how a psychiatrist would diagnose that..???)
<maxi> No, it's just different names.
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<lizzieb> lol gonzo
<dvus>  hi august
<August> good morning, everyone
<lizzieb> not according to yeager
<maxi> hi august.
<lizzieb> hi august
<GonzoRiter> Hi August
<DimWit> Hi Auggie
<maxi> Did Yeager say pentacostal Christians were sociopaths or just delusional?
<brenda> If you can't tell the difference between a slit throat and being hit with a bottle, you are in trouble Maxi.
<August> hi BoBo, maxi, Lizzie, Gonzy, Curious, Lisa, Lance, everyone
<rushnut> hey august
<August> hi rush
<rushnut> <---lance during break
<dvus> jeez!
<maxi> Some psycho/sociopaths are violent, some are not.  DSM-IV puts them under the umbrella of antisocial personality disorder.
<August> are you-all hearing that news item?  guy in closet?
<lizzieb> sounds like a psychopath to me
<GonzoRiter> :-) Liz
<maxi> Sounds like Ed Gein.
<AuntieBJ> OMG, that is weird
<dvus> lol maxi
<Snow_Wolf> hi, august(:
<rushnut> g
<DimWit> <<  pssst... Auggie... C'mere a sec.  Just between us girls... your Jam's TimeLine thread on BNF is a load of crap.  >>
<August> why, Curious
<brenda> Maxi, Like you don't differentiate between a murder and a whack up side the head?  They are both assaults to you I suspose.
<rushnut> dan again
<maxi> No, it's just that some call the condition sociopathy, some call it psychopathy.  It just means no conscience.
<DimWit> Cuz no one is gonna bother reading the slimeline again.  Jam's lies daily... no need to go to the Slimeline.
<dvus> they are both really screwed up IMO
<rushnut> cool tune
<Snow_Wolf> they would both be assults, but to different degrees
<maxi> Oh, no, he actually asked it!
<August> Thanks, curious, the slimeline is Denver's parody
<dvus> whack up side the head can kill also
<DimWit> I coined the term SlimeLine, August.
<August> Denver should pay you a fee
<DimWit> It's public domain...
<August> kind of you
<brenda> No kidding? dvus.  Then it would be better described as murder and not a wack up side the head.
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<DimWit> ... That's the kinda guy I am, Auggie
<GonzoRiter> :-) August   
<maxi> Self mutilation I hadn't heard.  That's interesting.
<dvus> no- think it might be intent though
<maxi> Bedwetting, fire starting, cruelty to animals.
<maxi> People with Borderline Personality Disorder do self mutilation.
<Snow_Wolf> what did he say self mutalation was a sign of - sociopathy?
<dvus> it's a sign of being not quite right anyhow
<maxi> Kids with Attachment Disorder, too.
<DimWit> As far as self mutilation goes, I draw the line at yanking nosehairs.
<rushnut> lol
<Snow_Wolf> OUCH!!
<dvus> but it's so fun
<maxi> You can get a little machine to do that, dimmy.
<August> at least you are not braiding them, Curious
<dvus> lol
<rushnut> and get a months supply of fatwhacker free
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<DimWit> My neighbor has a backhoe, Maxi... That works pretty good.
<GonzoRiter> well, it's been real...folks      nitey nite    ( a 3 on a scale of 10 for tonight)
<maxi> night, gonzo
<Snow_Wolf> maxi, what usually happens with kids with borderline personality disorder or attachment disorder?
<August> good night
<DimWit> nite Gonzo
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<AuntieBJ> nite Gonzo
<maxi> Remember the kid who supposedly beat himself to death, snow?  He was diagnosed with reactive attachment disorder.
<August> It's only 11:15 here, and I just got in, did I miss anything real interesting?
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<rushnut> yes all world problems are soved and we can live happily ever after :)
<maxi> Attachment disorder can lead to lack of feelings, depression, criminal behavior, all kinds of bad things.
<Snow_Wolf> maxi, my son has a friend who is really into that mutilation stuff - really scares me.
<maxi> What kind of things does he do, snow?
<Snow_Wolf> he has those first two you said.
<Snow_Wolf> he likes to cut himself with razors, burn himself
<maxi> Is he adopted?
<DimWit> School systems have never been concerned about the physical saftey of kids.  If they were concerned, they'd have seatbelts on school buses!
<rushnut> glad a jean jackrt and chain wallet was all it took to be differnt in my school
<Snow_Wolf> no, but he and his mom have major problems
<maxi> I agree, dimmy.
<August> does nail biting qualify?
<rushnut> they do have seatbelts now
<Snow_Wolf> i agree, dimmie(:
<maxi> Depends how far down you bite, August.
<Snow_Wolf> not here they don't, rush
<DimWit> Not Here
<August> I chew my fake nails
<maxi> I'd be really worried about that kid, snow.  
<rushnut> me too snow
<AuntieBJ> Dimwit, what a statement on those seatbelts !!!
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<Snow_Wolf> i have been for some time - plus he tries to be 'perfect' and hit this stuff.
<Snow_Wolf> hide
<maxi> It's kind of fashionable now to self mutilate, but he sounds like he's got real problems.
<maxi> He's a perfectionist?
<rushnut> my kids in a learning disabled class and the only kids out of the "normal" crowd he fits with are all no good...scary stuff
<August> Snow, it's when kids have some obvious problem, and then something horrible happens, then we say, Why didn't I do something?
<Snow_Wolf> yes and no - he set these HIGH goals for himself and then quits everything he starts to help him achieve them.
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<DimWit> Maybe cutters are just repressed whittlers.
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<maxi> Burke whittled.
<maxi> That can be a form of perfectionism, snow.  
<DimWit> Yes he did, Maxi!
<maxi> Some who cut have OCD>
<brenda> wonder if burkes science project may have included any bomb stuff
<Snow_Wolf> plus, he gets very fanatical religously - tells my son how bad he is when he does alot of the same things
<maxi> I've never heard of sociopaths being cutters, tho.  I'll have to look that up.
<DimWit> Rush... Ask Dale why he thinks school systems will pay for elaborite security systems when the overcrowd buses and don't even provide seatbelts.
<rushnut> already on my list
<rushnut> sort of
<DimWit> atta boy
<maxi> I wonder if this kid isn't seriously mentally ill -- even schizophrenia emerging.
<Snow_Wolf> that's what has worried me, maxi
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*** Topic is 'The Dave Lucas Show; The Littleton Tragedy and America's Youth. Special Guest Dale Yeager, Director of SERAPH ...Special URL for the night is http://www.sunnyday.com/wrow/littleton/'
*** Set by matthews on Sat Apr 24 22:57:12
<Snow_Wolf> wb, BJ(:
<Snow_Wolf> hi, ginab(:
<rushnut> wb auntie
<AuntieBJ> Thanks
<maxi> CDC would have all the current stats on how many children are treated in hospitals for accidents that occur in schools.
<DimWit> WB, ABJ
<August> 6I am involved in financing considerations at our local high school.  There are about 10 ways to get on campus over several acres.  There is no way to have effective security
<August> 6the cost would be prohibitive
<AuntieBJ> What is the ram for the radio show.  Thanks Beanie 
<rushnut> thats true august
<maxi> Anyone determined to get in could just storm the gate.
<maxi> Like the guy at the Capitol.
<DimWit> afk
<August> 6we don't have violence problems, but if we did.....I don't know what we would do
<Snow_Wolf> what size town do you live in , August?
<August> 6Mill Valley is about 20,000
<Snow_Wolf> thanks
<August> 6there is no way to secure much of anything, I think, look at the idiot stuff they put you thru at airports
<rushnut> good
<August> 6i mean, if you are bringing a bomb someone else gave you, you are going to tell them?
<Snow_Wolf> at my son's school, only see-through back packs or mesh ones are allowed.
<August> 6kids at an active school are walking around for good reason all the time, no way to challenge all of them for a pass
<LanceALot> (beanie goes to Detroit and knocks on the barn door..... BUT THE KOWZ ARE SLEEPING)
<August> 6wow, snow wolf, why is that?
<maxi> On average, each year, from 1992 to 1996, about
<maxi>                        four out of every 1,000 elementary, middle, and
<maxi>                        high school teachers were the victims of serious
<maxi>                        violent crime at school.4 
<DimWit> Bend over, Lance
<Snow_Wolf> they are very strict at his school.
<August> public school?
<Snow_Wolf> yes, and in a small town
<August> 6where, may I ask?
<Snow_Wolf> Montgomery, a small town NW of Houston
<August> 6did you have serious violence problems?
<DimWit> Rules.  What a concept.
<LanceALot> Hey Beanie, you have a lot to say about kids.... call in
<dvus> I know where that is snow
<Snow_Wolf> no, not at all.
<Snow_Wolf> really, dvus - not too many people do.
<dvus> I grew up around there
<Snow_Wolf> i think being this close to Houston, it is more preventetive than anything else.
<Snow_Wolf> where are you now, dvus?
<maxi> Okay, I've got the stats from the Justice and Education Depts.
<dvus> SC
<August> 6well, Mill Valley is just north of San Francisco
<maxi> total of 51,500,000 kids in all schools.
<Snow_Wolf> here, it is a closed campus, they check everyone for hall passes, and if you go off campus, you are suspended immediately
<dvus> was that way when I went too
<August> 6But snow, If someone wants to conceal something, they could do so in the middle of their stuff
<Snow_Wolf> dvus, did you go to Montgomery High?
<dvus> no Klein
<August> 6snow, so now do you have problems with infractions or violence?
<Snow_Wolf> no, a really good group of kids.
<Snow_Wolf> we moved or Brian would have gone to Westfield High
<August> 6so you have a student there, Snow?
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<dvus> had a friend that went to school in Mot
<Snow_Wolf> yes, he is a sophomore.
<rushnut> wb mimi
<mimi> thx :)
<dvus> oops-tried to backspace and entered :)
<August> 6my junior has never felt any danger at school at all
<maxi> Schools in cities were twice as likely to report serious violent crime than suburban or rural schools.
<rushnut> fantasy
<DimWit> What does "severly punished" mean, Dale.  Ask Dale abot the punishment.
<mimi> A new webpage on Littleton is up for anyone who is interested :)
<rushnut> better be good answer cause theres NO punisment a wise ass punk will feel threatened by
<August> 6the truth is that good kids will be good, and dicturbed kids who are going to do violence will find a way
<mimi> http://come.to/littleton
<Snow_Wolf> I think at Littleton, they hadn't felt danger either):
<brenda> keep the kids safe on campus, if you don't have a qualified counselor to hear and help the kids that have a problem then you can just say they didn't killed or hurt in the school it was after they left the campus per sey  should that make us all feel better
<DimWit> right, Rush.  Don't let him off the hook on the punishment issue.
<rushnut> k
<August> 6they may not do it at the school, but remember Rebel Without a Cause, they ran cars off cliffs at nite
<maxi> Latest stats are from 1996.  Total of 255,000 serious violent crimes at school or going or coming.
<Snow_Wolf> Brenda, you ought to call in with that - definitely more QUALIFIED counselors.
<rushnut> here we go
<rushnut> lol
<August> 6Brenda, there is a lot of flack about "paying for administration" instead of teachers and school supplies.  Counselors are an administrative expense
<August> 6don't get me wrong, I support more counselors, but that is the sort of problem you get
<dvus> we had KP
<August> 6
<dvus> kitchen pick up
<maxi> These stats are all from the 1998 Annual Report on School Safety from the Education and Justice Depts.
<August> that assumes you have a cafeteria, Dvus
<dvus> they don't allow that any longer
<DimWit> Cool Hand Luke.
<rushnut> this would not work had lance and i gone to the same school they would still be reciving mothly payments
<dvus> most schools do August
<brenda> I fail to undersand that nobody  that nobody has addressed a problem that we have childredn with problems and no parents to hear that problem whem they get home so it builds up and then they go back and it continues
<dvus> true Brenda
<August> 6If you have a kid age 16+ you would know why they need a cell phone, not "on" at school, but they need it
<maxi> We don't have smoking lounges here in Alexandria.
<Snow_Wolf> that was on my list, Brenda, but no one ever answered the phone.
<maxi> I have all my kids on cell phones.
<AuntieBJ> Smoking Lounges !!!  
<maxi> We had a smoking lot when I was in high school, but only boys were allowed to use it.
<August> 6and maxi, you can get ahold of them easy, right?
<DimWit> Rush... Have Dale provide references from his school district.  I want to followup on this.
<August> maxi, only boys?  I would have smoked, just in protest!!!!
<DimWit> I don't believe it.
<rushnut> k ill get it on break
<Snow_Wolf> i don't smoke, but would have joined you, august - LOL
<maxi> ah, I have the US Justice Dept. site up now.
<brenda> I'm not talking about school counselors I am talking profesionals who are trained to do this not just take up space.
<AuntieBJ> Lance, ask him if he or the school got any flack from the parents when setting up this program?
<August> 6dale's idea would be taken up at mock-trial, and would lost!
<rushnut> we had a smoking area...two of them where friends could gather to smoke dope
<August> lost
<August> lose!
<AuntieBJ> Or a Lawyer !!!
<rushnut> brb
<Snow_Wolf> right, brenda - most school counselors got their license out of a cracker jacks box 0 IMO
<dvus> I agree Brenda- I think it should also be on some sort of ratio type thing
<AuntieBJ> Yo Lance...got a question here
<DimWit> You can't have a student arrested!  BS!!!
<August> 6and rush, was that the early 70's?  late 60's?
<rushnut> dimwit repeat question
<AuntieBJ> Well maybe it is a mockup arrest
<AuntieBJ> <AuntieBJ> Lance, ask him if he or the school got any flack from the parents when setting up this program?
<rushnut> late 70's early 80's
<rushnut> k
<August> 6He sounds like someone with a good idea who isn't a parent
<DimWit> Rush... Have Dale provide refernces (contacts) at his school district so we can verify his security results.
<brenda> Listen we are talking dangerous and disturbed kids, parking spaces, smoking ect.  he doesn't ever get anything I notice
<AuntieBJ> Really Dim, I want to know where these schools are too
<DimWit> I agree, Aug
<dvus> from what I understand- he is a parent
<dvus> momma must raise the kids
<August> 6of a toddler?
<brenda> He doesn't know anything about children just discipline and believe me they are not close
<DimWit> He's bullchitting... he's passing off his theory as fact.  My BS detector is off the scale
<AuntieBJ> Lance, ask Dave what time (EST, MST, PST, etc) that virus is suppose to be here on MOnday? 
<dvus> he is quite the BSer IMO
<rushnut> dont no BJ
<mimi> 12midnight on sunday
<mimi> 12am
<DimWit> Auntie... Just set your system clock back until you feel secure about the virus.
<AuntieBJ> I understand midnight but which time zone
<rushnut> whta zone mimi?
<mimi> as soon as the date switches - whatever time zone
<mimi> ....on your computer
<AuntieBJ> Set it backwards Dim or forward?
<brenda> I happen to agree children are parents responsibility, but it seems today they don't have the time or know how to deal with problem children so somebody has got to hellp
<rushnut> yes brenda
<DimWit> Backwards
<AuntieBJ> Okay
<rushnut> sdrawkcaB
<DimWit> ...backwards so it never get's to monday's date.
<August> 6If there is a problem child in your community, it's everyone's responsibility to identify and do something about it
<dvus> yes and someone has to watch these hospitals that are like the fox gaurding the chicken coop IMO
<AuntieBJ> Well if I set it backwards it will eventually get to Monday's date.  Shouldn't I set it forward so ti  passes monday
<maxi> I do not see any stats compiled in the last 10 months on the justice dept. site.
<August> hello lake?
<rushnut> yup
<DimWit> No Auntie.  Set it back until you have all of the necessary virus protection in place.
<AuntieBJ> Oh okay, thanks Beanie
<brenda> I can't imagine how a warden can undersand that the needs of these children before they get locked up
<Snow_Wolf> i think we have to watch out though - because not all kids who are "different" are problems
<August> 6you are very right Snow
<Snow_Wolf> or what is percieved in our society as "different"
<maxi> It is illegal to target kids for special disciplinary programs because they fit a certain profile.
<August> 6and not all kids with problems will become violent
<Snow_Wolf> yes, maxi, but it is still done big time
<maxi> They have to have committed particular violations of school rules.
<dvus> agree a bunch
<DimWit> Exactly, Snow.  We don't want Salem witch hunts.
<maxi> Not around here.
<dvus> with lake
<rushnut> if albert enistine was in high school todat he probably would have his eyebrow pierced
<DimWit> EOld Al would have slept in class.
<dvus> we need to be more helpful to single parents too
<rushnut> wonder what relitivity feels like on extacy?
<DimWit> .... he'd still be swabbin' toilets under Dale's plan.
<August> 6this guy thinks we should settle for one week of vacation? 
<rushnut> lol
<Snow_Wolf> i don't think so - I have to have my month or two in CO every summer(:
<AuntieBJ> Where did the sound go?
<rushnut> before knives threr were rocks
<dvus> and books got the bomb info on the net
<August> 6 I get it, women should stay home under the man's thumb, and be happy with scrubbing the floor
<AuntieBJ> Hello??? I am not getting any sound....
<AuntieBJ> Is the radio show on?
<rushnut> reload
<rushnut> yes
<DimWit> Weapons of mass destruction MUST be kept out of schools.
<Snow_Wolf> 4will not even touch that one with a 10 foot pole, august - not enough time left - LOL
<brenda> I never took a vacation for a whole week when my kids were young.  A mother should feel good about being home with their kids
<August> 6Auntie, happens a lot, for little reason, ususally comes back
<dvus> I don't think that- but if someone makes that choice..they don't need to be condemed for it
<maxi> I have to keep reloading, BJ
<DimWit> ... That's gunpowder.
<dvus> staying at home
<Snow_Wolf> i have loved being home with my kids, but I will not be controled.
<maxi> Under the current workfare laws, mothers have to work.
<brenda> Who said be controlled dI missed that
<maxi> Violent crime is more common among boys in father absent homes.
<dvus> and- since more are having to work..then we need to put more $$ in school so they can take up some slack
<DimWit> Lake DOES have a good point.
<maxi> And the moms in those homes have to work.
<Snow_Wolf> yes, he does.
<rushnut> brb
<AuntieBJ> I didn't get to hear Lake, what did he say?
<maxi> Was that really Lake?
<August> 6 It is true that lower income families have a greater need for both the money and for a parent so stay home
<dvus> yes- Lake had excellent points
<August> That was lake, and mrs lake is in chat here, I think
<Snow_Wolf> we need to give our kids our time and attention, not just money to go do and buy things
<AuntieBJ> But what were they, I didn't hear it...my audio went bye-bye
<maxi> He sounds older than I pictured him.
<DimWit> Auntie... basically Lake said that parents are more interested in the second TV than they are in their kids.
<dvus> 2 vcrs fancy clothes more more more
<August> 6but parents with more money can afford to arrange qulaity time, and relaxing vacations, and take time off from career jobs to so special things
<Snow_Wolf> thanks, i lost my audio for part of what he said, but he is right on there.
<DimWit> ... materialism at the expense of the kids.
<AuntieBJ> Thanks Dim
<AuntieBJ> I agree with that
<Snow_Wolf> i think you would be surprise August at how many don't though.
<maxi> The rumour is that the diary belonged to Eric.
<August> 6lake has a point that many people are like that, but certainly not all
<dvus> yep- I think they need love and attention almost as much as food
<brenda> I feel that even with parents involved we need professional help too
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<dvus> terminal uniqueness going on?
<DimWit> I agree Brenda.
<Snow_Wolf> which brings up another one of my pet peeves....
<brenda> Quality time you can all fool yourself that want to
<dvus> they have parenting classes and most will not take the time to go or pride steps in...something
<DimWit> It wouldn't be a bad idea to make parenting classes required in school.
<Snow_Wolf> insurance will pay for preventative dental, surgery, etc., but pays none or little for mental health.
<AuntieBJ> I agree on that DimWit, parenting classes and childcare classes, real childcare classes
<brenda> When is the last time you spouce I just want quality time and long vacations I can't imagine
<rushnut> back
<DimWit> Yes, ABJ.  We might not get to todays parents, but we might get to the next.
<dvus> they need to stop some of these WICK programs too IMO
<rushnut> YES AUNTIE BJ YOU ARE CORRECT
<August> 6brenda, like many catchy phrases, some will do real quality time and some won't
<August> 6brenda, what was that?
<rushnut> they should set up a welfare stae and a prison state
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<Snow_Wolf> quality time does not have to be expensive - read to your young child - take your teenager out for pizza and ask him about school
<rushnut> say...newmexico prision and tenn. welfare
<cbreez> hi everyone =)
<AuntieBJ> Hey Cbreez, how you doing???
<Snow_Wolf> hi, cbreez(:
<cbreez> hye BJ!!!
<rushnut> hey creez
<dvus> hi c
<rushnut> whoops
<cbreez> how is everyone?
<Snow_Wolf> good, and you?
<cbreez> fantastico
<AuntieBJ> Cool here
<cbreez> good show?
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<DimWit> There is one job that schools can prepare kids for... a job that almost ALL will be employed in at some point... Child Care and Nuturing.  Phuk the math!
<brenda> Aug. you sure lost me
<dvus> lol
<rushnut> kill all the white people
<lizzieb> hi cbreez
<cbreez> hi lizzie =)
<DimWit> Go Figure!
<AuntieBJ> I think a parenting and childcare class should be required to graduate
<maxi> okay, I just reviewed the stat on the justice dept site -- Yeager's stats are off the wall.
<cbreez> LOL.... my beanster
<DimWit> Love ya, Breez
<Snow_Wolf> we had a family living class at my high school that was required.
<August> 6Brenda, some people will really spend "quality time" with their kids, and some will just talk about it
<cbreez> xoxo
<brenda> rushnut are you crazy
<dvus> dang maxi- you should become a profiler
<DimWit> afk
<rushnut> just a regae theme...just joking
<maxi> I don't like misleading info.
<maxi> I can't figure out Dale Yeager's agenda.
<dvus> I don't like those "quality Time" phrases
<maxi> He passes out bogus stats like peanuts.
<brenda> Brenda you are correct but those people would do that reguardless
<AuntieBJ> WEll Maxi...ask Lance to ask Dale about that
<cbreez> what's the connection between yeager and problems in schools?
<cbreez> i wouldn't have pegged him as an expert
<maxi> I think I'd feel too sorry for him, BJ. 
<August> 6Dale has a police-state solution to keep control in the schools
<cbreez> oh.... that'll work....LOL
<DimWit> I think Dale has been influenced by the movies.
<August> 6Where did Dale say that his plan is in place?
<brenda> Dale has more problems the the whole state of CO.   Don't you feel soory for him sorta
<August> 6eek, another enemy made tonite
<lizzieb> dale claims to be a security expert and he developed some profile to determine what kids will be violent - i personally think he's bogus
<cbreez> he sends these teams into schools? since when?
<brenda> Lizzie you are correct
<maxi> 1,272,100 violent crimes against students in schools according to latest Justice Dept Stats (for 1996)
<lizzieb> maxi, yeager's agenda is that he wants his company to make money
<cbreez> how convenient since it's the impromptu show subject for this evening
<August> 6I think we have fines for parking in the spaces sole to particular students
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<August> sold to
<cbreez> is he for real?
<lizzieb> so he likes to make up alarming statistics
<maxi> Yep.
<lizzieb> good for business
<lizzieb> unfortunately, yes
<maxi> Where did that come from -- body piercing?
<dvus> he must have problems finding parking spots
<lizzieb> his website is http://www.seraph.net/
<lizzieb> lol dvus
<maxi> His company specializes in animal transport.
<rushnut> dave making fun off lance... (he's pierced)
<cbreez> i've been to his site.... just don't remember seeing anything relating to HS security
<rushnut> of
<dvus> off too rush :)
<brenda> Where is his answer to helping the kids, he only seems to punish for every  thing that doesn't suit him
<August> 6I think kis who do lots of piercing, especially tongues, eyebrows, etc, is a real sign of being disturbed
<lizzieb> what bothers me the most is that he doesn't have the academic credentials to be talking the way he does about sociopaths and psychopaths
<dvus> its not allowed in my town
<maxi> Dr. Drew on Loveline says they have been abused if they pierce their genitals.
<dvus> the shops
<August> 6dale's best quote  "what do I know?"
<cbreez> i just always wonder what they do when they have colds... with those nose piercings
<dvus> kinda strange huh?
<lizzieb> how can your town not allow it, dvus?
<maxi> Wouldn't pierced kids get caught by metal detectors?
<rushnut> lance has his nose ring on now
<cbreez> what state are you in, dvus?
<dvus> I don't know and boy- you shoouldn see the fuss in our paper over it
<dvus> should and I'm in SC
<cbreez> i guess i'm just too practical. you think about having to sneeze... and you have this exit point on your nose
<cbreez> it could get ugly =)
<August> 6Dan white jumped past the metal detector,  I really think anyone who wants to get something dangerous in, they will find a way
<AuntieBJ> Exactly Cbreez
<maxi> My son's ex has a pierced nose and belly button.
<maxi> She takes out the nose ring for work.
<lizzieb> exactly, august
<DimWit> WHAT?!
<rushnut> drug use ok but dont pasrk in the hanndicapped zone
<AuntieBJ> Lance....a harmless little hippy type????
<cbreez> lol
<DimWit> Drugs are okay?
<lizzieb> rofl
<AuntieBJ> We could have fun with that on BNF !!!
<dvus> stoner
<August> 6That's the problem with severe security stuff, costs a fortune, causes delays, and anyone who really wants to do harm will find a way
<maxi> True, August.
<cbreez> true, august
<cbreez> LOL, jinx maxi
<August> 6we have teens, do you, dale?
<rushnut> dale said it was very cost effective august
<lizzieb> he probably gets a cut of the fines
<maxi> Yeah, but you can't believe Dale's stats.
<dvus> sure- they payed for in parking fines
<rushnut> i dont agree but thats what he said
<August> 6on a plane flight they confiscated our camera batteries, but did not care about the flashlight batteries
<lizzieb> to buy his own drugs
<brenda> This guy has yet to discuss what we need to do to help chldren with social problems other than make them help clean  up the school,  hope they don't call him if they need help maybe I would be better  and I wouldn't charge
<lizzieb> lol
<DimWit> They were just being good semaritans... and helping the people qualify for handicapped parking
<maxi> That's good, dimmy.
<dvus> he has issues with parking
<dvus> did you hear it in his voice?
<lizzieb> lol dimmy
<DimWit> Issues with parking?  LOL... Good one, bobo
<brenda> Who identify these people
<maxi> I think the outcast kids were less likely to cause trouble when they were isolated.  Then they didn't get together to blow up schools.
<August> K6he is addressing dicipline with the parking issue, like in the military
<lizzieb> issues with parking and road rage both
<rushnut> it starts with parking then the next thing ya know thier building pipe bombs
<dvus> lol
<cbreez> lol
<DimWit> Has Dale even sought professional help?  Therapy?
<brenda> And how do you get hellp for these kids
<lizzieb> lol
<August> 6outcast kids should not be picked on.  that is a big part of problems
<dvus> kid did leave a bomb in his car
<rushnut> my kid gets it all the time
<DimWit> Who is riding herd on Dale?
<rushnut> i hate it
<August> picked on, ruchK
<August> 6
<lizzieb> but was the car parked in the right place, dvus?
<rushnut> yes
<rushnut> hes listed as add to get the services he needs but it makes him a target
<dvus> he was going to be kind and make sure it didn't overrun on time
<maxi> I'd like to see more work done with the dominant culture kids to teach them not to put down outcast kids.
<brenda> He obviously doesn't know any profesional help just lock em up is his answer
<August> 6 We had one proble, kid was being harrassed, chased, tried to run him off the road, 50 rowdy boys would show up at his house and trash the yard, etc
<DimWit> Rush... Shouldn't a good security system go hand in hand with strong profession refencing?
<rushnut> i did volenteer work with the handicapped when i was a teen and cant stand the fact that the only things kids are taught about "special students is not to stare
<August> kid brought an unloaded gun to school and showed it to the kids harrassing him
<DimWit> Rush... That was a question for dale.
<rushnut> happens all the time
<August> 6they expelled the kin, did nothing to the others
<rushnut> they feel thier not getting help from adults
<maxi> That's so typical, August.
<rushnut> k
<rushnut>  dim
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<little_kitty> Hello 
<maxi> It isn't just a problem of outcast kids not getting direction from their parents.
<August> 6hello, little kitty
<cbreez> hello kitty
<rushnut> hey little kitty
<little_kitty> Hi 
<rushnut> meow
<little_kitty> lol
<little_kitty> purr
<maxi> It's popular kids, too, who aren't taught kindness.
<AuntieBJ> meow kitty
<little_kitty> what we all talking about in here 
<DimWit> I like my kitties fat and sassy...   ;-)
<dvus> parking- good lordamen max
<lizzieb> hi little kitty
<little_kitty> hello every one 
<cbreez> and, gawd, HS kids can be so brutal
<dvus> amen maxi
<rushnut> brb
<dvus> urgh
<little_kitty> i remeber hs i hated it so much i droped ou t
<August> 6it will be real interesting as the littleton story continues to reveal itself, about the whome life of the trenchcoat mafia
<brenda> Rush can you find a professional to talk on this subject soon not and jail warden
<cbreez> there isn't enough money in the world to get me to go back
<maxi> I always made it clear to my kids that I would not tolerate any tormenting of other kids.
<rushnut> we can try
<AuntieBJ> Just how fat and just how sassy Dimwit?
<rushnut> brb
<DimWit> Just your size, Auntie.  ;-)
<AuntieBJ> :-)
<cbreez> hey hey hey.... knock it off you two! LOL
<little_kitty> ok bye bye 
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<rushnut> Lou Reed!!!!
<brenda> Why does he have this guy on all the time
<DimWit> I'd like to "knock it off", Cbreez.  ;-)
<cbreez> ROFL!!!
<AuntieBJ> LOL
<maxi> Lou Reed -- wasn't he an outcast kid?
<cbreez> well, it is saturday night and all
<cbreez> carry on
<rushnut> back
<August> 6erstand midnight but which time zone
<August> <rushnut> whta zone mimi?
<DimWit> I would harrass Lou Reed if I had a chance.
<August> sorry, mistake
<maxi> I like Lou Reed.
<rushnut> time zone mimi
<maxi> Slizak needs to decide if they're savages or maniacs.
<dvus> oooo vodoo
<DimWit> I can't see Lou Reed, Maxi.  But I'll still respect you.
<maxi> My son turned me on to him.
<rushnut> somewhere off the coast of mass. it was just 4:20
<maxi> I didn't like him when I was younger.
<brenda> If this man was a dentist he would tell all the parents their kids had a mouthful of cavaties
<August> 6 did anyone read that Dennis the Menace is a real person named Dennis Ketchum (son of cartoonist) and is a chold molestor?
<cbreez> sounds like sylvester the cat
<August> child
<dvus> lol c
<maxi> That's truly weird, August.
<August> 6 Read it in the globe, so it must be true
<dvus> stumbled on that word again
<August> 6what parent of a boy hasn't called their kid **** the menace?
<rushnut> he said rush
<DimWit> Angry enough to PLAN to murder people for over a year?  Sorry... THAT is sick.
<brenda> They should have been on yard pick up duty too solve their problem is his answer
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<cbreez> i hear ya, dimmie
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<August> 6their crime is evidence of mental illness
<August> 6 the murder of JonBenet is evidence of mental illness
<maxi> I will be interested to see if there are psychological autopsies done.
<rushnut> thier crime is evidence of parents neglecting thier duties
<maxi> Tho it may be difficult if their parents fear law suits.
<DimWit> I would draw a distinction between the two, Aug,
<dvus> uh huh rush
<August> 6 lots of parents neglect, their kids don't shoot up their school
<maxi> Some kids shoot up schools even tho their parents don't neglect.
<rushnut> but some do and others think it and discuss it evey day
<dvus> duties
<rushnut> uh ohh
<brenda> It is the at risk kids who are neglected that shoot up schools. maxi
<August> 6Im' not a guy!!!
<maxi> Not exclusively, brenda.
<dvus> they might have seen the darn bombs
<dvus>  wouldn't have changed the kid
<brenda> A  "normal" kid can be neglected and may never become violent.
<dvus> but it could have saved a few other kids
<cbreez> i gotta beg to differ with him
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<August> 6 remember the kid who had the dead body of the girl across the street under his water bed?  And the parents didn't know?  last fall?
<maxi> THat was horrible.
<cbreez> oh my... hadn't heard about that one
<AuntieBJ> I like cheerios
<rushnut> i remember
<cbreez> i've found some weird stuff under my boy's beds... body parts, nevah!
<rushnut> where was that august
<August> 6 of course, disturbed kids would be very difficult to parent, so parents might neglect out of frustration
<dvus> maxi
<maxi> Oh, please, Dale.  Cite the specific study.
<cbreez> 41%?
<AuntieBJ> On the forums with them
<dvus> duty calls :)
<brenda> Here we go again!!
<rushnut> MAD MAXI
<August> 6 that story happened last fall, was widely reported on CyberSleuths
<lizzieb> this is so tiresome
<lizzieb> i think that crime happened in florida
<August> 6 whold neighborhood was looking for the little girl from house to house
<dvus> that's where he gets his info-lol- the forums
<rushnut> but what city august?
<AuntieBJ> I remember that August
<brenda> I think Yeager is anti social. Is that the same thing as sociopathic, I wonder?
<August> 6i don't remember, maybe look in cybersleuth archives?
<lizzieb> oh i'm sure yeager is a sociopath
<dvus> stealing beans one at a time
<rushnut> dont bash the Q dude
<dvus> you don't notice for a while
<maxi> How many people would 40% of the US population be?
<dvus> ask Yeager
<brenda> Both parents have to work to make ends meet and wants to jerk them down to the school to complain that they are not spending enough quality time with their kids.
<mimi> 100million
<lizzieb> he won't know
<cbreez> not sure, maxi.... but, that would be 4 of us in this room!
<dvus> he knows EVERYTHING
<mimi> 250 million people in us
<rushnut> lance is moving his hips
<rushnut> help me
<dvus> now you're messin' with a SOB
<brenda> I remember the KKK from the 60's.
<maxi> Dr. Robert Hare, the world's foremost expert on psychopaths, estimates there are two million psychopaths in N. America.
<rushnut> lol dvus
<dvus> :)
<cbreez> won ton ly?
<maxi> Okay, I've had it.  
<brenda> maxie:  That is less than10% not Yeagers 40%.
<maxi> Lance or Dave -- ask Yeager if he's familiar with the work of Dr. Robert Hare?
<rushnut> no way
<dvus> nah!
<dvus> no way
<lizzieb> that is less than 1%
<cbreez> has anyone heard any speculation on what the littleton kids were referring to on 4/26?
<maxi> Approx. same incidence as schizophrenia.
<lizzieb> no cbreez, but it's spooky, isn't it?
<cbreez> yeah, it really is
<brenda> Right. My mistake .
<lizzieb> yeager doesn't even have a bachelors degree in anything, much less a Ph.d. He's a fake.
<brenda> I feel better now.  1% not 40%.  I can leave the house tomorrow.
<maxi> He said he'd been a history teacher.  Can you teach with no BA in some states?
<AuntieBJ> Exactly....if somebody seen a web page wehre somebody was going to kill the president....would they act upon it?
<cbreez> LOL... leave the house? Iwas looking around the room at my family!
<brenda> LOL
<AuntieBJ> LOL cbreeze
<cbreez> and they all look pretty normal... what does that mean?
<maxi> I find sociopaths really scarey.  I have a friend with a sociopath for a son.
<lizzieb> maxi, we've asked him a zillion times on these shows what his degrees are, and he always changes the subject, so i'm assuming he has none -- plus there are none listed on his website. he claims to have been trained by the justice dept.
<AuntieBJ> Is the school back in operation?  How do they know if are more bombs in the school??
<dvus> ROFL!
<maxi> In North America.
<dvus> he told the truth!
<brenda> I was beginning to think I was going to kill myself with the 40% Yeager statistic.
<cbreez> LOL
<August> 6 the dead girl under the waterbead was Maddie Rae Clifton  http://www.munitrading.com/dcforum/truecrime/47.html
<maxi> Lance or DAve, tell Yeager that the DSM-IV defines sociopaths as psychopaths or antisocial personality disorder.
<maxi> There are very specific diagnostic criteria that must be met.
<cbreez> maxi... you should call in... give this guy a run for his $$$
<dvus> he reads tooo much forum
<rushnut> maxi call in
<lizzieb> that's what i have a problem with - he is way too loose with the definition
<rushnut> last chance
<lizzieb> yes maxi, please do
<maxi> It's too late.  THey never let you thru at this point.
<rushnut> yes
<rushnut> yes
<dvus> go maxi go maxi
<cbreez> rushnut... you gotta let maxi through
<rushnut> line clear
<maxi> What's the number?
<rushnut> not a matter of letting
<rushnut> all ya gotta do is call and ill be there
<rushnut> 1800wrow590
<brenda> He is describing a lot of posters in this chat.  I never can win an argument.  Everbody must be sociopathic except me.
<rushnut> at least 40% are lol
<rushnut> lets vote
<cbreez> i know i am
<rushnut> age /sex/ socail problems
<dvus> southern sociopath here
<cbreez> LOL
<August> 6why not you brenda?
<rushnut> maxi on hold
<cbreez> YES!!!
<brenda> I let you win.
<cbreez> wtg, maxi
<rushnut> yeah whoopie ect
<rushnut> why did you wait till the end?
<lizzieb> oh good
<dvus> hmmm- now I will have a voice to go with a post
<cbreez> just to pi** you off, rushnut... LOL
<rushnut> boooo:(
<dvus> maybe people are not argueing with ya Brenda
<dvus> maybe not agreeing but doest=argue-
<cbreez> you go, maxi!
<AuntieBJ> Maxi's on the line !!!!
<dvus> he can backpedal real good huh?
<lizzieb> oh puhleeze, yeager
<cbreez> and the difference is?
<rushnut> not as good as tracy did
<cbreez> geez, louize
<lizzieb> he's so full of it
<rushnut> do the tracey
<cbreez> oh, of course there is
<dvus> hog tiein his butt
<cbreez> throw in THE FBI.... and maxi's supposed to back down?
<August> 6ok, do i have it right, it's murderous behavior, not a murderer?
<rushnut> sometimes you feel like a lude sometimes ya dont
<cbreez> LOL
<lizzieb> lol, i think you got it
<dvus> hehe
<cbreez> he said that he didn't believe they were mentally ill
<rushnut> they could have stopped some killers with viagra
<dvus> true-prolly true rush lol
<dvus> they are special
<rushnut> what would happen to a crackhead who smoked viagra?
<August> 6 maxi is very well informed and well spoken  I wonder what she does professionally?
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<rushnut> atty probably
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<maxi> BS, Ressler and Douglas don't use those terms that crazy way.
<cbreez> maxi.... great job!!!!!!
<cbreez> thank you for calling
<rushnut> good show maxi
<lizzieb> maxi, you did fantastic - he was shaking in his boots
<cbreez> yeah, he was
<maxi> I don't do anything professionally anymore.  Used to be a teacher.
<AuntieBJ> Maxi, you were great !!!
<August> 6 i think you still are....
<cbreez> had to put himself in a exclusive group... in order to say that we just wouldn't understand
<maxi> Thanks, Auntie.
<lizzieb> you are extremely knowledgeable
<maxi> He's BSing -- the FBI doesn't classify it that way.  
<cbreez> no kidding
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<cbreez> there you are!!
<rushnut> gotta break down the computer guys and gals
<August> 6 Curious, did you hear maxi on the air?
<rushnut> its beeen fun
<rushnut> see ya soon
<DimWit> ...I took the scenic route.
<cbreez> ok, sweet thang. thanks, rushnut
<brenda> Thanks
<maxi> Nice to chat with all you guys.
<DimWit> I missed Maxi.  I tried to call in but got no answer
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<rushnut> ohhh sweet thang?????
<cbreez> you too, maxi. and thanks for being courageous
<maxi> You didn't miss anything new, dimmy.
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<rushnut> sorry dim
<cbreez> he needed a good dose of maxi
<DimWit> I missed maxi?  Tell me!
<lizzieb> maxi was wonderful - she knew what she was talking about and yeager was scared
<rushnut> bye
<maxi> I'm so glad I don't have to go to Meeting in the morning.
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<cbreez> according to yeager, 40% of the population is sociopathic
<DimWit> LOL... Scared?
<lizzieb> yeager is a total fraud
<August> 6I'm exibiting tired behavior, not tired though
<maxi> Me, too, August.
<DimWit> Maxi really is wonderful
<cbreez> she brought him down a peg or two... or three
<lizzieb> you should have heard her
<maxi> do you guys think that was mean?
<DimWit> I bet she did... I sorry I missed it.
<August> 6NO!
<cbreez> not at all! calling light into darkness is never mean... it's necessary
<lizzieb> i think he is a fraud, and i think what he does is unconconscionable, and the sign of a true sociopath
<maxi> lol, liz
<cbreez> LOL
<DimWit> I agree, Lizzie
<lizzieb> he is making big bucks off all this stuff
<August> 6 how is ne making big bucks?
<cbreez> amazing
<maxi> I don't think so, but I'm sure Boulder paid him for his consulting.
<AuntieBJ> He has a private business doesn't he
<lizzieb> his firm consults on all kinds of stuff like this
<DimWit> Radio appeareances are free advertising
<lizzieb> check out his website
<AuntieBJ> For more people than one
<cbreez> the way he was pulling info out of the ether... i should have such a business
<cbreez> LOL
<lizzieb> Q did some research on him, and he also works in advertising and marketing
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<DimWit> Good ol' Q
<lizzieb> he just makes things up as he goes along
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<cbreez> exactly
<AuntieBJ> Yep, step right up ladies and gentlemen....whether you have a timeline or want to call somebody else a member of the lynch mob, you can do all of that right here on the Dave Lucas Radio show !!  Free Advertising !! 
<lizzieb> he's a conman
<cbreez> heck, we could do that, lizzie. let's start a business just like his!
<lizzieb> yeah we could
<maxi> I think he's kind of pitiful.  He thinks he knows more than he does.
<DimWit> I put some pics up on JW... The greenleaf thread.  If they are objectionable, please let me know and i'll edit them.
<cbreez> what are they of?
<AuntieBJ> let me go look
<maxi> Oh, I want to go see.  Are they nudies?
<cbreez> LOL
<DimWit> Jan and Frank... G2... and moi.
<AuntieBJ> Are they pics of you in the shower Beanie?
<cbreez> really? what thread?
<lizzieb> i mean, if you saw his web site, it is incredibly unprofessional looking, lots of misspelled words in the JBR report - or at least it used to be, haven't checked it lately
<DimWit> Yeah... in the shower, ABJ.  NOT!
<maxi> I'm gonna go check out those pics.  And go to bed!  NIght all.
<cbreez> where would i find them there...?
<lizzieb> i'm gonna go check
<cbreez> night maxi. you were awesome
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<lizzieb> yes you were maxi
<lizzieb> dang, my computer is slower than heck
<DimWit> the thread was Greenleaf's "... faces of posters" thread
<DimWit> Night Maxi.
<cbreez> on my way.... brb
<lizzieb> maybe this time next year that thread will load
<DimWit> The whole INet is slow for me now... since I got knocked off.
<DimWit> There are a lot of pic files on that thread... maybe that's why it's so slow.
<August> 6 well, I can't go there, and I need my sleep, goodnite, all, thanks for a no flame nite
<lizzieb> yeah, that's what's taking so dang long - only about half of it has loaded
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<DimWit> Nite Aug
<lizzieb> nite august
<DimWit> I like threads like the pic ones... but they do slow things down
<cbreez> LOL.... dimmy.... have i told you yet tonight that i love you? those were wonderful!!
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<DimWit> I liked them myself.  I have one planned for Lance too.
<AuntieBJ> OMG Dim
<Khyron> who, people are awake inm here
<cbreez> what a hoot!
<AuntieBJ> I loved the masked man and Tonto
<cbreez> they're worth the wait, you guys
<lizzieb> flol dim
<lizzieb> they're hysterical
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<DimWit> I'm looking for a good "Talk" Soup Nazis for Lisa and Lance.
<cbreez> well all of you sweet boyz and girlz... i'm going to go watch a stupid movie with my husband
<DimWit> Nite, Breez
<lizzieb> lol dim
<lizzieb> nite cbreez
<cbreez> nite beanie, BJ and all
<DimWit> ... have fun  ;-)
<lizzieb> i'm leaving too
<cbreez> xoxoxoxoxoxo
<lizzieb> nite all
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<Khyron> aw everyones leaving?
<DimWit> Nite Lizzie
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<AuntieBJ> Somehow I just don't think Jan will see the humor in it
<DimWit> LOL... Oh well.
<AuntieBJ> Right.  LOL  Oh well.  Did you see button I made for Frank on my main web page?
<DimWit> I'm partial to the G2/Kingfish one.
<AuntieBJ> Too bad we can put them on BNF anymore
<AuntieBJ> They would be really a blast
<DimWit> Button?  No... I'll check tomorrow
<AuntieBJ> We could come up with some for the WS
<AuntieBJ> Yeah, tomorrow go check the main page...  I got a new button for Frank and one for the HissyFit...you know who
<DimWit> We could have a field day with the Mountain Mommas
<AuntieBJ> We srue would
<DimWit> I know
<AuntieBJ> well got to go, nite
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